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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Many antisemites attempt to cloak themselves under the allegedly more respectable mantle of antiZionism -- but their fraud is transparent. Frankly, I reckon antiZionist Jews to be completely out of touch with their own people's interests: it is manifest that statelessness is a very dangerous condition to be in in Europe. With a Jewish State around, abuse of Jews has much declined -- is that not historically demonstrated?

And what is really ironic, is they are doing to others similar things that were done to them for generations.

AntiZionist Jews are not out of touch. Why can't you recognize they have a right to their beliefs as well? That is the whole thing with you, it is your point of view, or none. All others are wrong. I reject that very narrow focus. There can be more than one right answer, more than one way to do things, or to look at things.

As for yelling about "show me where I said that," SP, need I tell you that when you write words, there are thoughts behind the words -- whether these thoughts are acknowledged consciously or not. Ideas birth words -- and it is not difficult to see what those ideas are. Nor is it very complicated in your case to see that your words leave a scent of the anti-Semite on you. Anti-Zionism is, well, the realm of two schools of thought, and I wouldn't give two bits for the both of them taken together: stupid, unpractical Jews who can't see their own people's best interest in the mortal world, and stupid and brutal bigotry against Jews from outsiders. I'd not ally myself with either silly bunch.

Wow. So you think you have some kind of magic mirror that allows you to look into my soul, and my brain, and know what I'm thinking? Then why am I bothering to open my mouth? In the same vein, it isn't hard at all to see where YOU are coming from. You have the same attitude bush had, egomaniac. You're always right. Your opinion is the only right one. Only your answers are the right ones for any problem. It must be really nice to be right all the time, and to know that you are so superior to the rest of us. Better watch out up there on that pedastal...

Here you show a mighty misreading of what I actually said -- you're listening too much to what you were unfortunate enough to think I said, instead: I did not say "first people," I said "the Jews were in before there was ever a Muslim." The Jews have a defensible prior claim, if you want to assign sacredness to who's there before whomever else. Stop kidding yourself, or I will both chew on you like a dog toy and insult your intelligence the while. You aren't winning this. Not ever.

How can you possibly know that? You can't. No one can. And what does Islam have to do with the people who live there? Islam is a religion. The people in the Middle East predate religion... ALL religion, including Judaism. Just because Judaism predates Islam does not mean the people who are there (and happen now to be Muslim) don't have roots that go back in time to before Israel's first incarnation.