Payne - can't understand how I missed your post 1st time round.
But thanks much for your input. Really.
What I find puzzling is that on such a harsh forum (my opinion, ymmv) there are such decent people.
Not sarcasm - you and Fomenter and Tiki (their names here at least) have made an effort to contact us, to give tips and hints and generally include us, despite the fact it was your board we descended on. Okay, it was because you safari'd, but the majority of posters in each case were not involved.
From my point of view we were successful. Why? Because a number of us got together, had fun making pictures, names and histories. We're a community and we were a community on vacation. And we discovered why we love the Cellar.
And I got some recipes for home made alcofrolics.
And realised that even on harsh boards there are gentle people.
Okay, I LOd a bit too