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dmg1969 · 01-21-2009, 11:34 AM

First...a quick shout out to Undertoad! I was born and raised in Enola and currently living in Perry County, but I work in the 'burg.

Now, Radar, I will state the various areas where we disagree.

First, your overall theme that the Federal Government doesn't have the authority to enforce immigration because it's not in the Constitution. While that may be true, techincally, I urge you to contact your U.S. Senator, Representative and The President. Apparently, they disagree with you.

Second, you say it is not a matter of national security. I counter with asking you what happens when a terrorist enters the U.S through an open Mexican border with a suitcase nuke.

P.S. Mexico is tougher on people entering their country illegally from South America than we are.

Also, you say that it does nothing to affect our national sovereignty. Sovereign by definition means supreme power over a body politic and free from outside influence. How can we be a sovereign nation and not decide who enters its borders?

I agree that diversity is our strength. No arguement there. I am the grandchild of immigrants. I also agree that many Americans may take the freedoms we have for granted because we have not known the harsh life many immigrants have had.

I also agree that peaceful immigrants do not harm our nation. However, if we cannot control who comes into the country...how do we know they are peaceful. How many murders have been commited by illegals (I know you hate that term, but they are illegally in the country) only to have them flee back to Mexico? How many DUIs caused by drunk illegals without a license to drive kill Americans? It's in the news all the time.

I agree that immigrants offer ideas and new approaches to problems. However, I do not think we need to have a "free flow" of immigrants to have the same quality of people immigrating.

I think that learning the language (English) should be mandatory. I don't know how the fact thatwe are an English speaking nation does not make it the official language. Try going to most non-English speaking countries and try to get by without having at least a grasp of the language. We should not have to offer all of our services in Spanish or any other language. What's next, Portugese, French, German, Arabic, Hebrew, Ebonics?

I have no problem with people bringing their culture with them. However, does it make it OK by your standards for a man who follows Sharia Law to kill his daughter or wife because he says they did something to "dishonor" him or the family?

"A Mexican immigrant who sneaks across the border at night is no better or worse than German or Ukrainian immigrants who went to Ellis island." I disagree. The Mexican immigrant entered the country illegally. Those who came through Ellis Island did not.

I think those are all the points. You asked where we disagree. There you have it.

01-21-2009, 11:34 AM	#33
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	First...a quick shout out to Undertoad! I was born and raised in Enola and currently living in Perry County, but I work in the 'burg. Now, Radar, I will state the various areas where we disagree. First, your overall theme that the Federal Government doesn't have the authority to enforce immigration because it's not in the Constitution. While that may be true, techincally, I urge you to contact your U.S. Senator, Representative and The President. Apparently, they disagree with you. Second, you say it is not a matter of national security. I counter with asking you what happens when a terrorist enters the U.S through an open Mexican border with a suitcase nuke. P.S. Mexico is tougher on people entering their country illegally from South America than we are. Also, you say that it does nothing to affect our national sovereignty. Sovereign by definition means supreme power over a body politic and free from outside influence. How can we be a sovereign nation and not decide who enters its borders? I agree that diversity is our strength. No arguement there. I am the grandchild of immigrants. I also agree that many Americans may take the freedoms we have for granted because we have not known the harsh life many immigrants have had. I also agree that peaceful immigrants do not harm our nation. However, if we cannot control who comes into the country...how do we know they are peaceful. How many murders have been commited by illegals (I know you hate that term, but they are illegally in the country) only to have them flee back to Mexico? How many DUIs caused by drunk illegals without a license to drive kill Americans? It's in the news all the time. I agree that immigrants offer ideas and new approaches to problems. However, I do not think we need to have a "free flow" of immigrants to have the same quality of people immigrating. I think that learning the language (English) should be mandatory. I don't know how the fact thatwe are an English speaking nation does not make it the official language. Try going to most non-English speaking countries and try to get by without having at least a grasp of the language. We should not have to offer all of our services in Spanish or any other language. What's next, Portugese, French, German, Arabic, Hebrew, Ebonics? I have no problem with people bringing their culture with them. However, does it make it OK by your standards for a man who follows Sharia Law to kill his daughter or wife because he says they did something to "dishonor" him or the family? "A Mexican immigrant who sneaks across the border at night is no better or worse than German or Ukrainian immigrants who went to Ellis island." I disagree. The Mexican immigrant entered the country illegally. Those who came through Ellis Island did not. I think those are all the points. You asked where we disagree. There you have it.