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It requires an act of faith to adhere to the belief.
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Just to clarify my playing-field, I start with a blank slate. So why should Christianity be any more logical (or faith-worthy) than any other set of unprovable postulates?
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I find it more logical to believe a primarily literal understanding of the Bible.
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Why the bible?
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The "purported connection" between morality and christianity is that a loving, caring, God who is incapable of anything other than being perfectly loving in His relationship toward us is the final Judge of Everything; guaranteeing an ultimate justice one day toward all of His creation.
In His creation He is the ultimate definition of what is right and wrong. Only a being of perfect love is qualified to judge with zero discrimination. Any being less than perfect love is not qualified to be the judge of others. That alone guarantees true ultimate fairness to each of His creation.
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1. That's not unique to Christianity
2. why is judgment a necessary or provable end-state?
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This is illogical in itself. It needs a presupposition of a human life being valuable. And that is the question its trying to answer. This is circular reasoning, therefore illogical.
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It is all we have. Therefore it is "important". I dare you to prove otherwise!
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I don't understand how someone who truly believes in no God can live their life other than in a totally selfish manner. It all has to come back to what works for you. Doesn't it?
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And as such, you have no right to
judge me. I live an exceedingly moral life, even by your christian standards. I hold myself to a higher standard -- my own.
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To believe this, one must presuppose that there is no other possible explanation when there actually are other possibilities that cannot be disproven. The most you can do is propose this as one possibility.
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So, if I told you that the FSM existed, you'd go along for lack of proof?
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Radar, I agree based upon my value system derived from the Bible, but from what do you get your value of what is a person's "rights'? There must be an absolute something that determines them.
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Not to speak for Radar (he's quite capable of speaking for himself) -- absolutism is unnecessary. All one must do is
observe. Look around you. We are hard-wired for the rest of it; evolution over millions of years weeded out those who can't cope with the rest in a
fair manner.
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I need to look into Godel I guess?
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Not unless you like math.
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Since its hard to get a good "read" on a person and their intentions, I want to make it clear that I will never attack, or belittle anyone in my posts and I apologize if anyone felt this from this post.
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I appreciate that.
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Man..., this took too long, now my wife's upset with me.
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Now, there's the
ultimate moral authority!
