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glatt · 10-30-2008, 08:46 AM

Neither the Pledge of Allegiance nor the Star Spangled Banner are documents that have any relation to the founding of this county. The SSB was written during the war of 1812, a generation and a half after the country was founded. The Pledge was altered in the 1950's IIRC to include the God part.

The Declaration is an important document directly involved in the founding, and it refers to a creator, but only when talking about the rights men have, not that the government is subservient to God's will.

None of this discussion counters Sundae's point. She's saying that there is a lot of religious influence in America and that it's bad. You actually support what she is saying by providing examples the religion in America.

10-30-2008, 08:46 AM	#199
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Neither the Pledge of Allegiance nor the Star Spangled Banner are documents that have any relation to the founding of this county. The SSB was written during the war of 1812, a generation and a half after the country was founded. The Pledge was altered in the 1950's IIRC to include the God part. The Declaration is an important document directly involved in the founding, and it refers to a creator, but only when talking about the rights men have, not that the government is subservient to God's will. None of this discussion counters Sundae's point. She's saying that there is a lot of religious influence in America and that it's bad. You actually support what she is saying by providing examples the religion in America.