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10-21-2001, 03:15 PM

jaggy - i know. wasn't talking about you specifically on the os x thing. but i see this all the time. same with linux. people talk about how cool it is but don't use it. photoshop is definitely hard to give up. i know - i did it two years ago. just let gimp take over. gimp's pretty powerful if you get into it.

anyway. tony - it all depends on what "viable linux desktop" is interpreted to mean. i'm writing this from my powermac g4 tower because it was convenient. i could still write it from linux. mozilla .9.5 is pretty slick (including the feature to kill popups from javascript onload & onunload - where has this option been in internet explorer?). to me, linux is a viable desktop. so is mac os x. so is mac os 9. so is windows. as a matter of fact, the only one i would say that isn't is beos. i couldn't use it for a desktop operating system. it's cool as hell, but it's just not there. windows has all the apps. linux has a ton. so does mac os. beos was severely lacking. it's all about the apps. well, and whether or not you can have multiple desktops, which is what i dig about linux. or just how great it is to use, which is what i dig about mac os x (that, and it's fast as hell, and it looks great, and it has so many cool features to it - an operating system done right). did i give up photoshop & 3d studio max? yeah. but i gained a lot more. all it takes to switch operating systems is getting into new habits. i can't go back to windows 'cause i'm too used to hitting alt+1 or alt+2 (up to +4) to getting to a different desktop. habit.

another thing i've noticed - people tend to look down at operating systems that they've never really used. 5 years ago, i never said "macintosh" - i said "macintrash." i'd used it, but not thoroughly enough. when i got the g4 tower, the people in my office said "it looks nice, but i'd never use it" - why?

it's the same thing as linux on the desktop. you need to really do it to be able to appreciate it and to make it work. her answer was "'cause it can't do what i need it to do." well HOW DO YOU KNOW? i do a LOT in linux. i can do a LOT in mac os x. aye.

too tired to be coherent.

mbpark - no exploits. wu-ftpd is what is running, but it's not an exploited version. here's what's granted: you have an account on the machine, you have root access as well. you canNOT get to a shell over telnet, ssh, rlogin, etc - all these services are off. i used: a shell script, an exported display, ftp and an email. 1 email. the question is, how did i execute the shell script? and what did it do? once i got a shell with that, it was as simple as su'ing and re-enabling ssh (which scott turned off in moment of really really bad judgement). but yeah. how did i get a shell?

10-21-2001, 03:15 PM	#35
dave Guest Posts: n/a	alrighty now... jaggy - i know. wasn't talking about you specifically on the os x thing. but i see this all the time. same with linux. people talk about how cool it is but don't use it. photoshop is definitely hard to give up. i know - i did it two years ago. just let gimp take over. gimp's pretty powerful if you get into it. anyway. tony - it all depends on what "viable linux desktop" is interpreted to mean. i'm writing this from my powermac g4 tower because it was convenient. i could still write it from linux. mozilla .9.5 is pretty slick (including the feature to kill popups from javascript onload & onunload - where has this option been in internet explorer?). to me, linux is a viable desktop. so is mac os x. so is mac os 9. so is windows. as a matter of fact, the only one i would say that isn't is beos. i couldn't use it for a desktop operating system. it's cool as hell, but it's just not there. windows has all the apps. linux has a ton. so does mac os. beos was severely lacking. it's all about the apps. well, and whether or not you can have multiple desktops, which is what i dig about linux. or just how great it is to use, which is what i dig about mac os x (that, and it's fast as hell, and it looks great, and it has so many cool features to it - an operating system done right). did i give up photoshop & 3d studio max? yeah. but i gained a lot more. all it takes to switch operating systems is getting into new habits. i can't go back to windows 'cause i'm too used to hitting alt+1 or alt+2 (up to +4) to getting to a different desktop. habit. another thing i've noticed - people tend to look down at operating systems that they've never really used. 5 years ago, i never said "macintosh" - i said "macintrash." i'd used it, but not thoroughly enough. when i got the g4 tower, the people in my office said "it looks nice, but i'd never use it" - why? it's the same thing as linux on the desktop. you need to really do it to be able to appreciate it and to make it work. her answer was "'cause it can't do what i need it to do." well HOW DO YOU KNOW? i do a LOT in linux. i can do a LOT in mac os x. aye. too tired to be coherent. mbpark - no exploits. wu-ftpd is what is running, but it's not an exploited version. here's what's granted: you have an account on the machine, you have root access as well. you canNOT get to a shell over telnet, ssh, rlogin, etc - all these services are off. i used: a shell script, an exported display, ftp and an email. 1 email. the question is, how did i execute the shell script? and what did it do? once i got a shell with that, it was as simple as su'ing and re-enabling ssh (which scott turned off in moment of really really bad judgement). but yeah. how did i get a shell?