[BigV]

Originally Posted by BigV

For instance....

Are you saying that abstinence is an ineffective way of stopping the spread of AIDS?

Originally Posted by BigV

Abstinence is an almost certain way of preventing the spread of the AIDS virus, and you know it.

Being abstinent is, apparently, supremely difficult. But it does substantially reduce the transmission of the virus. Naturally, sharing virus laden bodily fluids in other ways does still represent a transmission vector, like needle sharing for example.

Don't be as deliberately ignorant and hysterical as those other morons, religious or otherwise, in spreading misinformation. You're too sharp for that.

Originally Posted by BigV

I respectfully disagree, Flint.

All solutions involve telling people stuff. And it (abstinence) is more than a theoretical solution, it is a real, partial, solution. Just as talking to people is part of the solution. There isn't one transmission vector, and there isn't one "magic bullet" solution. All progress in the area of reducing the spread of AIDS has involved simply telling people, as a start.

We agree that being abstinent is difficult. But a conversation where abstinence is part of the discussion can easily be done. Such a conversation can easily lead to more understanding where similarly effective methods (condom use) that are much more likely to be implemented can be introduced. You don't even have to start the conversation with "Be Abstinent!" But ignoring it is being willfully blind.

Originally Posted by BigV

Flint called their "shorthand" nonsense. Then he repeated it. I called him on the repetition. The only defense against ignorance of this type is education. Repeating the nonsense gives it more momentum, and Flint was doing precisely what he was complaining about. Flint, for all his flaws, is no ignorant hypocrite, and I urged him to avoid talking like one.

As for abstinence's worthless effectiveness among kids who do have sex... that makes it *exactly as effective as* any other proven remedy that is not employed. It's not the "fault" of abstinence that makes it worthless in the situation you describe. It is the fault of the people not using the remedy.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

For christs sake V, it's pretty clear what Flint was saying. What's your problem?

For Christ's sake, I explained my "problem" in four different posts? Can't you read?