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Originally Posted by Phage0070
Unfortunately, if we are going to disregard theories from those in positions likely to color their take on the situation we would also be forced to ignore the views of homosexuals who frequent the thread.
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I'm not so sure equating religious affiliation and sexual orientation is 100% accurate.
I've "known" I was homosexual at least since I was in 2nd grade.
I even tried (really fucking hard) to change it until I was in middle school, by flooding my brain with (what I thought were) images of beautiful women - in neon 80's spandex with fake orange tans - whenever I caught myself looking sideways at a cute boy.
I remember having the distinct impression that, if I didn't fix it now, in 2nd grade, then it'd be infinitely harder to fix it when I went through what the teachers and my parents and the TV shows referred to as "puberty."
Puberty was fun.
I know there are tons of people who are raised in religious households, but following what your parents/gods tell you is right (thus being part of the Tribe by default),
and perceiving that you are "different" from everyone, including your family, and having to hide it for most of your life, with no real way to change it, except for how people perceive you,
are two very different things, in my opinion.
To put it shortly, most Abraham-spawned religious views on homosexuality are stunted and ignorant due to ideology that is, on this particular subject, stunted and ignorant.
I know that's a matter of opinion, but, well, we don't live in the Bronze Age anymore, much less the Middle Ages, much less with our heads shoved up our asses. Excuses are getting thinner and thinner.
Most hetro religious people commenting on sexuality are doing so from a set of values that they've been spoon-fed.
Even if they are new believers, it is a set of values that someone else gave them, someone else worked out, someone else set up.
[It is assumed that] They aren't homosexual themselves.
Why take someone's opinion to heart when they're rather ignorant of what they're forming an opinion on?
Speaking from personal experience as someone who went to a bumfuck baptist-ridden high school in Georgia just before gays suddenly became flashy pop culture anti-heroes (in bumfuck baptist terms, this was the late 90's),
most gay people have to come to terms with their value systems on their own, and decide how they feel about the fact that they are homosexual on their own, without having some ingrained/established religious structure that tells them how they should feel about it.
I don't think anyone's opinion should be completely disregarded, but, on this particular subject, I'd say that the cookie-cutter view of homosexuality that most religious people hold, should not be held on the same level as the opinion of homosexual people,
a.k.a. people who know a hell of a lot more about homosexuality than any Biblegod-fearing Joe that bases his opinions around words written by homophobic dead men 2000+ years ago, most of whom were trying to keep their people alive and organized and breeding in the fucking
desert, since babies had a tendency of dying off rather easily.
- Equating homosexuality with promiscuity is also ignorant, in my humble opinion.
I'm a good looking guy, but I haven't bumped uglies in a year.
I'm just not wired like that when it comes to sex.
I don't roll with people just because they are gay; I roll with my friends. I can't stand sheepish people in any guise, including the rainbow-toting glitter princesses that would float away if they weren't securly handcuffed to the pleasure swing.
It makes it a chore to meet a gay person in a normal (not-club) setting that I can vibe with.
Nothing wrong with promiscuity; I just don't swing that way.
People are people.
It's the most vague fucking statement ever, but it's still true.
Personally, I hold the belief that sexuality is a spectrum, rather than a rigid set of categories. Everybody falls somewhere on it. Sure, some fall on the very edge of it, but there are way more people that fall somewhere in between the two extremes.
It's like everything else in the entire world.
I happen to be hetro-curious, but it's easy for me to say that in this society, since that what's considered normal.
I still see a villain from a science fiction movie every time I look at the female genitalia.
I see pretty much the same thing when I look at male genitalia, but it's not scary, and I want to make out with it.
On a lighter note, but probably more interesting,
here's a video.
Same sex sexy sex is as natural as popping out babies.
Just not nearly as draining on your wallet.
Disclaimer - This was a snub-nosed rant, not intended for or aimed at any specific person in particular.