My point, while kind of lost now (and this should be a thread in itself) is do you define the values of a nation (such America
) on what it was founded on etc or what it is today, what the majority of the population think etc. I’ve come across the same argument with where governments we would hate and some have said we should overthrow are the view of the majority of the population. While leads into the whole thing with absolute rights and wrongs. Oh god am I rambling on today..