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Old 04-19-2003, 09:01 AM   #35
Urbane Guerrilla
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Re: Re: That tide in the affairs of men, again

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Originally posted by russotto


Unfortunately, Islam ("Submission to God") and liberty do not mix.
Hmm... you could say the same thing about, say, Roman Catholicism -- and with about the same prospects of being right. If a people want to be politically and economically free, and are not chained up by sheer governmental force majeure, they will find a way to have that liberty. It seems the natural inclination of the human mind. Unfreedom is an artificial construct. To make a slave, you have to actively keep him from thinking in terms of liberty.

I've heard a lot of this kind of thing about Islam lately -- and I don't buy it. While it is clear Islam is designed to be all things to all men, religion, government, and society all wrapped up in one big package, I stress that it is deliberately designed and constructed so -- and that what is constructed may be deconstructed also, when time and circumstance require a loosening of the joints, as it were. I note that we are not getting this kind of thing from Moslems in America, either the homegrown oddities like the Nation of Islam or from the immigrants. Our determined partition of Throne from Altar has a powerful influence, at least here. I would suspect the Nation also thinks that way, just from having been immersed in the separation of church and state while growing up -- and it may be argued that this is a very successful approach, too. Worldly success -- and we have trillions of dollars' worth of worldly success just in the United States alone, in large measure because our society is not committed to wasting talent -- may be construed as a sign of Divine approval of our undertakings, and it takes a mighty fanatical and blinkered Islamist to think otherwise. Most Moslems are not fanatical and blinkered Islamists. They are the silent majority that by definition we don't hear very much from.
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