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Originally posted by quzah
Back to the topic at hand. By "evil" I mean exactly, what evil has Iraq done to the rest of the world?
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And like I said, Iraq has done what evil with their WOMD in the last decade? Oh, that's right, nothing.

Here you are attempting to change your original statement. You're adding the qualifiers "to the rest of the world" and "with their WOMD". But I'm going to assume you only mean to clarify your original intent. (I'm a trusting kind of guy)

Let's see, how about when Saddam's forces invaded Iran, or the time they invaded Kuwait? What about the time they started lobbing scud missles into Saudia Arabia and Israel?

Originally posted by quzah
Go back to the beginning. The original intent was not to "liberate the people of Iraq". It was to kill Saddam because we didn't supposedly didn't like his big guns. It had nothing at all to do with liberating his country.

I agree that this was the stated purpose of the administration. But you were trying to say that it was only about oil, and I was simply saying that you can't prove that.

In the end, their intent doesn't matter. Only the consequences matter. And in this case, I think that the good far, far outweights the bad in this scenario. Sure, I'd rather they not go around invading countries willy-nilly. But have no control over that. And I see no reason to rage against the war after the fact when so much good is coming out of it.

Originally posted by quzah
When the war started, it was not to help is people. This is just one of those "added bonuses" that we can now use as a banner to carry to get us support from the world and the American people. You're fooling yourself if you believe otherwise. Again, like I said, go back to the "original reason" for the war.

We invaded because we didn't like what the UN inspectors weren't finding.

I didn't invade anybody. I'm just a guy with a computer. Don't ascribe to me likes, intents, and actions that aren't my own.

I agree that the U.S. administration started the war because of the purposes you stated. I agree that their arguments don't make much sense. However, the liberation of an opressed people is not only useful as a propaganda and coercion tool. It is a wonderful thing in it's own right. In my opinion, it's a good thing perpetrated for the wrong reasons. I think it justifies the war even if it was started for the wrong reasons.

Originally posted by quzah
I never said there weren't evil people in Iraq. I never said they treated their people nicely.

Yes, you did. You said:
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<b>Again, let's face some facts. Iraq has done exactly what evil in the last decade? Oh, that's right, nothing.</b>

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It seems clear that even you don't believe what you really said.

Originally posted by quzah
Like I said, the only thing keeping people starving, is lack of actual distribution. I'm to believe sanctions have nothing at all to do with this?

Well, you said, "the only reason anyone at all <b>ever</b> starves in the world is because of bickering goverments".

The statement is false, because you can't blame the government in every single case of starvation. What about people who get trapped in mines or caves, can't get out, and starve to death? Is that the fault of bickering governments?