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Old 09-06-2007, 04:59 PM   #49
limey
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
The Soviet Union was NOT communist. It was a totalitarian state that said it practiced communism while basically practicing state capitalism.....
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This is such an old and nonsensical argument.
How so? As I understand it, the Soviet Union never achieved communism as expressed in Dana's definition of morality, although that was its original aim. The early intentions of the mensheviks, and then Lenin and the bolsheviks was to work towards a withering away of the state, and then it all went awry in the hands of subsequent politicians/power-mongers.

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If true, it means that communism can never be put into practice and is simply a theory to waste the time of social philosophers.
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Again, if the 'communist idea' hasn't ever been properly done, could it be that the idea you refer to isn't possible, due to human nature if nothing else? I can imagine utopian societies that would never work because of human nature. Or could it be that communism has indeed been 'done' and we've seen the result in practical terms?
In my view communism has never been successfully tried, probably because of the flaw in human nature which Wolf has cited, and to which you also refer. Doesn't mean to say that "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability" is not a nice ideal to strive to attain.
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