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9th Engineer · 07-04-2007, 03:06 PM

Kingswood, instead of using substitutions like "gene C" for the actual name of a gene, could you actually post the real name? If you use science as part of your argument then you're pretty well obligated to cite your sources and use correct terminology, otherwise most of us would have no idea if you're just blowing smoke up our asses unless we undertake a very time consuming search through the journals. Your info, your responsibility to cite. Nuff said.

I'd also like to pick a point on someone being predisposed to something vs having a guarenteed outcome. Yes, there is a difference in metabolisms between people, but it's not the be-all-end-all determinator you make it out to be. If you happen to not be blessed with the ability to eat as much as you'd like and still maintain a healthy weight, then you have to make a choice between indulging yourself and keeping your weight under control. If obesity is actually genetic, then it must be approached with the same attitude as any other condition that is dangerous if it gets out of control such as diabetes.

On a more personal note, I know many people on both sides of the average weight, and I can't think of a serious exception where the persons weight didn't match their eating and exersise habits. And in this case, people are most often haunted by poor decisions in the past. The body does not normally create new adipocytes (the primary cells for 'fat' storage) after the late 'teens. While they may not have been bloated at this stage, excess weight at this age probably means a gross over abundance of fat storage capacity to be filled later. When you try to lose weight later in life, they can lose most of their stored lipids, but you won't lose the cellular stucture you put down.

However, members of my family who have been extreemly overweight in the past have lost over 40lbs in a few cases, and have kept it off through very strict dieting and exercise. Unless you happen to be that one in several thousand with a serious disorder, your weight is the result of how you've lived your entire life.

As for me, I'm on my diet really for one main reason, to look more physically attractive. It also helps greatly in my day-to-day comfort and mental alertness, but my biggest motivator for keeping myself on 1450 calories of vegan food a day is so that I look better both with my shirt on and without it. I am absolutly not ashamed to say so. With others, it's your lifestyle that I care about. I watch what you eat to make my judgements more then watching to see if your belly jiggles. But around the pool, I'd be lying to you if I said that I'm as physically attracted to overweight girls as I am to those with slim physiques. I'm also very attracted to high cheek bones and narrow faces, it's just my taste.

07-04-2007, 03:06 PM	#74
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Kingswood, instead of using substitutions like "gene C" for the actual name of a gene, could you actually post the real name? If you use science as part of your argument then you're pretty well obligated to cite your sources and use correct terminology, otherwise most of us would have no idea if you're just blowing smoke up our asses unless we undertake a very time consuming search through the journals. Your info, your responsibility to cite. Nuff said. I'd also like to pick a point on someone being predisposed to something vs having a guarenteed outcome. Yes, there is a difference in metabolisms between people, but it's not the be-all-end-all determinator you make it out to be. If you happen to not be blessed with the ability to eat as much as you'd like and still maintain a healthy weight, then you have to make a choice between indulging yourself and keeping your weight under control. If obesity is actually genetic, then it must be approached with the same attitude as any other condition that is dangerous if it gets out of control such as diabetes. On a more personal note, I know many people on both sides of the average weight, and I can't think of a serious exception where the persons weight didn't match their eating and exersise habits. And in this case, people are most often haunted by poor decisions in the past. The body does not normally create new adipocytes (the primary cells for 'fat' storage) after the late 'teens. While they may not have been bloated at this stage, excess weight at this age probably means a gross over abundance of fat storage capacity to be filled later. When you try to lose weight later in life, they can lose most of their stored lipids, but you won't lose the cellular stucture you put down. However, members of my family who have been extreemly overweight in the past have lost over 40lbs in a few cases, and have kept it off through very strict dieting and exercise. Unless you happen to be that one in several thousand with a serious disorder, your weight is the result of how you've lived your entire life. As for me, I'm on my diet really for one main reason, to look more physically attractive. It also helps greatly in my day-to-day comfort and mental alertness, but my biggest motivator for keeping myself on 1450 calories of vegan food a day is so that I look better both with my shirt on and without it. I am absolutly not ashamed to say so. With others, it's your lifestyle that I care about. I watch what you eat to make my judgements more then watching to see if your belly jiggles. But around the pool, I'd be lying to you if I said that I'm as physically attracted to overweight girls as I am to those with slim physiques. I'm also very attracted to high cheek bones and narrow faces, it's just my taste. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.