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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Rights are not sandwiches, nobody makes them, not even the "universe". Every critter is born with them.
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How can you be born with something that can not be made? Rights are ideas, which have to be made by something.
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Were you not paying attention when I said, "Just because humans have the ability to explain their rights, to reason how they apply, doesn't mean animals... uh, the other animals, don't have them too."
We don't need them to justify out actions, although we can, it's not necessary.
Rights aren't a reaction to laws... laws are a reaction to rights. If people didn't have rights there would be no laws, because people would just have to do what they were told.
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What you are saying is contradictory to what I just said. I said it was impossible to be born without rights and now you are saying it is possible. Do you need a right to do what you are told or not? Either way, if no one tells you what to do then you don't need rights and the idea of rights can still be considered reactionary to power. This is turning into a "what came first, chicken or the egg" argument...
What you are saying is that someone born without rights would be born without free will, more or less. Is this what you are trying to say or not?
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C'mon, don't be silly, the "universe" has no will.
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Okay, I used the wrong word. Supports may fit better.
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Not needed? Without it there would be no truths to hold self evident.
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I was talking about rights without society or anyone telling you what to do. There is no difference from infinite rights and survival so in that situation rights are not needed. Once a society forms, then the idea of rights are needed.