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Undertoad · 03-06-2003, 09:34 AM

Dude, if you go for the Euro vs Dollar idea, you are in effect covering up your Free Markets Believer cap with your Government Conspiracy cap.

To start you have to believe that there is a huge, secret reason why we angle for war that is NOT one of the huge obvious reasons OR one of the widely-discussed geopolitical reasons. One that is known only to a very small circle of people, since it's never been mentioned by anyone in the administration OR its opposition OR the Washington press corps OR the UN OR...

It would take an enormous effort to bring about war for a *secret* reason with 3 billion people trying to work out the reasons for war.

And the reason not to discuss it? If it's going to have serious repercussions, currency change would be a major point of discussion worldwide. If it's going to have a disastrous effect on the US, there is no reason not to discuss it as a reason for war.

Then you have to believe that we have no power as a trading partner.

Then you have to believe that nations all over the world will sell their dollars away, even if they are getting 60-70 cents for them.

Then you have to believe that the free marketplace is basically flawed in a way that means that the world CAN, in effect, bring about global economic warfare and cause a depression in our country - which means, in turn, that the libertarian tradition of complete isolationism is even more of a joke.

Just take the reason of mine that appeals to you the most. All this stuff isn't off the top of my head BTW... I saw this argument presented, saw you HINT towards it yesterday, and started thinking. So it's unfair... sorry.

But it's like that Brit dude that warch brought up; everyone is looking for double- and triple-secret special reasons. It occurred to me that that dude used his rationale to explain WW2, when he said the same economic conditions applied in the 30s. No, in WW2 the reason for war was fucking obvious, and it's almost as fucking obvious this time. No conspiracies, no weird factors that only you have figured out.

03-06-2003, 09:34 AM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Dude, if you go for the Euro vs Dollar idea, you are in effect covering up your Free Markets Believer cap with your Government Conspiracy cap. To start you have to believe that there is a huge, secret reason why we angle for war that is NOT one of the huge obvious reasons OR one of the widely-discussed geopolitical reasons. One that is known only to a very small circle of people, since it's never been mentioned by anyone in the administration OR its opposition OR the Washington press corps OR the UN OR... It would take an enormous effort to bring about war for a secret reason with 3 billion people trying to work out the reasons for war. And the reason not to discuss it? If it's going to have serious repercussions, currency change would be a major point of discussion worldwide. If it's going to have a disastrous effect on the US, there is no reason not to discuss it as a reason for war. Then you have to believe that we have no power as a trading partner. Then you have to believe that nations all over the world will sell their dollars away, even if they are getting 60-70 cents for them. Then you have to believe that the free marketplace is basically flawed in a way that means that the world CAN, in effect, bring about global economic warfare and cause a depression in our country - which means, in turn, that the libertarian tradition of complete isolationism is even more of a joke. Just take the reason of mine that appeals to you the most. All this stuff isn't off the top of my head BTW... I saw this argument presented, saw you HINT towards it yesterday, and started thinking. So it's unfair... sorry. But it's like that Brit dude that warch brought up; everyone is looking for double- and triple-secret special reasons. It occurred to me that that dude used his rationale to explain WW2, when he said the same economic conditions applied in the 30s. No, in WW2 the reason for war was fucking obvious, and it's almost as fucking obvious this time. No conspiracies, no weird factors that only you have figured out.