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Originally Posted by Undertoad

100% tw accuracy, suck my big dic.

Undertoad - do not read this. It is about reality and not relevant to you. Don't read it.

The point: US integrity is now so bad throughout the world that a film based upon what US troops did to NATO allies in Iraq is a most popular movie in Turkey. It's no accident because US integrity - thanks to George Jr and Cheney - is that despicable. Why can a movie that even includes Americans selling body part be so popular in Turkey? Why in Turkey that was once one of America's strongest supporters? Because George Jr has made every American equivalent to 'body snatchers' in so many eyes.

Why does that film have so much credibility? Because Americans even torture, imprison people without judicial review, international kidnapping, secret prisons, lies to promote a political agenda, and even "Pearl Harbor" a sovereign nation. Worse, when caught and exposed doing it, then America denies it anyway or blames others for their plight.

So embarrassing these days to be an American. Something like 30% of American troops now regard torture as normal and necessary. When did we see numbers like this? When American troops were being intentionally massacred in Nam to protect Nixon's legacy. Anyone with intelligence also knew that war was also lost. Johnson even acknowledged it before retiring as president. And yet we still massacred another 30,000+ Americans?

In the first year of "Mission Accomplished", bodies would be found all chewed up and unidentifiable alone roads in southern Iraq. American convoys would routinely fire heavy weapons at anyone they considered too close - most being innocent victims. This was standard long before any serious insurgency existed. This long before Abu Ghriad. This is the new America where TheMercenary's attitude of 'might makes right' means anyone can be killed - justified by 'Spanish Inquisition' justification. "They must be evil".

Are those troops evil? Welcome to lessons of Nam where again, troops were put into an unwinnable situation. Massacres were not limited to My Lai.

Why do so many Turks believe a movie that would even associate Americans with selling body parts? UT has difficulty acknowledging this reality. Long before that movie was released, America's once golden reputation had been tarnished - severely. Americans are now considered that evil in more parts of the world where once America was associated with goodness. But worse, Americans remain in widespread denial.

UT wants to argue with profanity when denying realities created by a wacko extremist American government. Profanity means he is chock full of emotion - maybe due to frustration with realities posted by tw.Valley of the Wolves Iraq demonstrates what our allies now think of America.

When America was respected, then Turks would have rejected story lines in that movie. Today Americans routinely fire heavy weapons even on innocent Iraqis - a 'big dic' response to a problem created by Americans ... just like in Nam. Americans would even fire at Vietnamese farmers in fields with 50 cal weapons only because they were bored or angry. Good Morning, Iraq where troops are also there because American leaders are liars.

Believable throughout the world is that Americans would even kill 'evil foreigners' just for body parts. Even torture is an acceptable practice by all Americans. You may not think so. But what you think is no longer relevant. That is commonly accepted among a growing worldwide community.

America that openly advocates international kidnapping and imprisonment without judicial review - as TheMercenary advocates - will only make life difficult for American friends. American friends and those who advocate secular American principles are now increasingly unpopular in Turkey, Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Morocco, South America, Nigeria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, .... it's a long list and getting longer. Even Chaves in Venezuela has credibility only because 'he smells sulfur where George Jr has stood'. Why would anyone take such comments seriously? Look at what TheMercenary calls acceptable. That explains why the world is increasingly more sympathetic to Chaves.

Why is the movie Valley of the Wolves Iraq so popular in what was once a closest American ally? Why did a capture of Turkish soldiers by Americans complete with blindfolds, imprisonment, and suicide become so popular in Turkey? TheMercenary who even approves of imprisonment without judicial review and LA cops beating up reporters. Stealing body parts is routine by a nation that routinely tortures.

Deja vue what? 30 years ago, will it be Deja Vue "Mission Accomplished"? History says many here will witness "Mission Accomplished" and the 'big dic' rationalizations 30 years from now.

Some will post profanity sound bytes. Others, to deal with reality, post longer. Sorry. Reality is never found among those who know everything from expressions such as "fuck you".