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Old 04-16-2007, 10:29 AM   #42
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The defeat in Iraq was de facto last summer when George Jr did not give military commanders what they needed and what military doctrine requires for a victory - 500,000 troops. Details based even in Military Science 101 are posted repeatedly in The Cellar even many years ago. How many full days do you have this week to read reason after reason?

The Iraq Study Group provides the only alternative for minimizing that defeat. Of course, you read all 79 points? If not, why not?

Meanwhile, Afghanistan is also approaching defeat. Those who don’t learn from a military perspective will deny this second and approaching defeat. Afghanistan (a war justified by a smoking gun) is going just like Iraq because George Jr administration violated military doctrine repeatedly. Conservatives who did not see that have acted just as anti-American. Ignorance is not an excuse especially after the lesson called Vietnam.

George Jr has only done same things that were proven wrong Nam. Any patriotic American learned those lesson because a partiotic American has so much respect for the American soldier. George Jr even violated basic military doctrine defined in 500 BC. Conduct of “Mission Accomplished” was so bad that every general who served in Iraq and has since retired has bluntly criticized this anti-American administration. Even every living ex-president has spoken out against this war; Gerald Ford being the last because he asked his comments withheld until after he died. Of course you know this well published facts? If not, then why not.

Ask yourself whether a conservative neighborhood had respect for the American soldier as to list the many reasons why George Jr has created defeat and civil war. It's no accident that Brent Scowcroft – a George Sr closest friend – described the disaster we were creating years ago. Again, search the Cellar to read Scowcroft's comments supported by reasons and facts. This “Mission Accomplished” defeat was obvious years ago – complete with reasons that have only proven in time to be accurate. Any decent conservative without contempt for American soldiers would have known these facts. Too many call themselves conservative but so hate the country as to not learn underlying facts and principles.

Use a full week to read the reams of reasons why “Mission Accomplished” was obviously a defeat long ago. In Vietnam, we had to massacre 30,000 more American soldiers for 5 more years before the public finally saw what was obvious to military strategists even in 1968 – even see references to the Wise Men. Today some without grasp still deny what the informed knew about Nam before Nixon was even elected president. So how many more Americans did we massacre?

ISG is the only hope we have to minimize the defeat. Every month we ignore ISG is every month we only make the defeat worse. We have lost this war because of George Jr, Cheney and other who used a political agenda rather than reality. Iraqis will therefore suffer the consequences. Worse: due to ‘mental midget” intransigence, Afghanistan is on the verge of also being lost.

You knew that well over 50% of Afghanistan had fallen back into Taliban hands years ago? If not, search posts in the Cellar back then to see how long ago the Afghan war was being lost. The Cellar is a perfect archive for learning how long ago we knew things were bad.

There are extremist liberals and conservative – both dumb. On the other end of that rope are those who instead use facts, logic, and lessons from history. The latter saw a “Mission Accomplished” defeat last summer by using facts rather than a political agenda. See comments from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft posted in The Cellar back in Jan 2005 to appreciate what people who use intelligence (rather than a political agenda) were accurately predicting.

Those who used political agendas to think - by definition - have contempt for the American soldier. To remain ignorant is another lession from Nam; why we wasted 30,000 Americans to protect the legacy of Nixon.
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