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If artists don't have talent, then we need to credit the producers 100%. Artists don't mean anything? It's all about the production crew? Music producers need artists, just like artists need producers. It's a very very mutual relationship. One can't survive without the other. If Michael didn't have the voice, song writing capabilities or whatever, then Jones would have just had a great arrangement idea. But no actual, demonstration. You can't discredit MJ at all, really. I'm not discrediting Quincy Jones, but I'm definitely not discrediting Michael either.
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