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Originally Posted by monster
snip~ Like I said, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL it acts as an ID card. That means it's my opinion from my experience. I'm not forcing you to feel the same -why get all emotional and demand I read your past sermons on the topic before continuing to post?
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Yeah, kick him in the nuts, too.
Jeez Monster, how are you going to pass this course if you piss off the Prof? The fact that you're absolutely right doesn't matter.
For commerce and most low/medium level government functions the drivers license, or equivalent state photo ID if you don't have a license, have been the defacto acceptable ID. Come to think of it, why would the state bother issuing the photo IDs for non-drivers, if it wasn't the acceptable (read necessary) ID.
A short time ago I went to cash a check at the bank and as usual they asked for my drivers license. I looked where it usually is in my wallet and didn't see it so rather than make the teller wait while I looked, I handed her my carry permit. It looks like a license, photo, laminated, all the same info except drivers license number, plus all the official bells and whistles. They wouldn't accept it....to cash my check, on my account, at my bank...they would only take a drivers license or state substitute photo ID. That experience tells me the Drivers license IS the default ID.
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Originally Posted by Toymented
I already have a driver's license, social security card and passport. What difference does it make if this information is consolidated? Just because someone is walking on the streets doesn't mean they are a citizen and should automatically be recognized as one. How do you determine who is a citizen and who is not without ID?
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The difference is you are not required to carry any of those things. You don't have to be able to prove who you are and where you belong...yet.
No, I don't know if that guy walking down the road is a citizen or not and I'm not happy about that. It's not my fault it's theirs, for not taking care of business and keeping people that don't belong here, out.
That means anyone that came in through the bathroom window instead of the front door and the ones that asked to use the toilet before they left and hid in the closet.
I should have to carry and produce on demand, an ID, because they aren't doing their job. Fuck that, I already have to press 1 for English. Let them do what they get paid to do and primary is protecting the borders.
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Originally Posted by Toymented
After lengthy consideration, I must admit I'm having a difficult time imagining how a change of identification method is going to lead to some sort of "police state."
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Because you're looking in the wrong place. You can't picture the Prez and the heads of the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, DEA, BATF, DOD, the Military, and Congress sitting down in a secure bunker, planning to subjugate the population? Neither can I, possible but pretty far fetched at this point.
But, if they institute a National ID that you must have, then every Tom, Dick and Crossing Guard can hassle you for any reason.....including sport.
Oh, were going to limit that power to Homeland Security......and the FBI........and The DEA......and the BATF......well just feds....and the people they designate...like tom, dick and guess who. Plus in a year or two, crossing guards will be under Homeland Security, everyone else is.
The people that come up with these high minded solutions aren't evilly plotting 1984, but the systems they have the power to implement, can be abused by too many dickheads. I can see businesses getting in on the act to. Cigarettes, liquor, ammo, gasoline..... no National ID, no ration.
Lets see your papers...hmmm can't get into the database, must be a computer problem... I'll have to detain you until they fix it. Uh, since your ice cream is going to melt any way......