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Old 12-06-2002, 01:30 AM   #14
Radar
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If the choices are good, not quite as good, and bad, and voting for good means bad has a better chance, voting for not-quite-as-good is a no-brainer.
But that's not your choice. You've got evil #1 (Republicans) and evil #2 (Democrats) which are both equally evil and result in the exact same thing happening. They aren't different in any way. And you've got the only good (Libertarians) in American politics who make sense, stick to their promises, and respect the constitution.

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Finally, something we agree on. Either way, we're more likely to have a Democrat in office
That was a typo and was fixed. It's supposed to read

And voting for a republican or democrat is voting for evil

And if there is a lesser of two evils between the democrats and republicans it's the democrats only because they do what they say. The promise to raise taxes and spend more and they do it while republicans lie and claim to want smaller government and constantly take steps to increase the size of government. So not only are they corrupt socialist scumbags but they lie about it.

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Libertarians suck more votes from R's than they do from D's. You may see D's and R's as the same, but most libertarian-leaning people I know are much more aligned with the Republican party.
Most Libertarians think of them as identical and we get more former republicans because the want smaller government and believed the republican lies.

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Now you're probably gonna say you made a typo or something.
You knew damn well I made a typo and don't act like you didn't know it or that it wasn't a typo.

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Politics is much different today than it was 100 years ago.
100 years ago the government mostly stuck to the limits placed on them by the constitution. Other than that it's exactly the same. The same tricks. The same idiots claiming our civil rights need to be put on hold in the name of "security", the same everything.


There is no lesser of two evils. There is no "not quite so good" and "bad". There is good and everything else. Republicans spend more money than democrats, attack our civil rights as much or more than democrats, violate the constitution as much or more than democrats, and constantly take steps to increase their power, and make government larger, more intrusive, and more expensive. The only difference between them is the democrats tax and spend and the republicans borrow, tax, and spend and which parts of the constitution they will violate first.

Here's a few quick facts about the Republican party and George W. Bush.
  • Republicans created income tax in the first place. Abraham Lincoln created them on August 5, 1861. And that was only one of his violations of the constitution.
  • When Reagan took office in 1981 the federal budget was $600 billion
  • Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress from 1995 through 2001 during which time the federal budget grew from $1.4 trillion to $2.1 trillion (about $100 billion annually).
  • Since Republicans took control of the House in 1995, federal discretionary spending has grown by a rate of about 7% annually. The number of earmarks lawmakers have put in the spending bills to steer federal funds to their districts has also grown. By one estimate, between fiscal years 2001 and 2002, they increased from about 6,300 to 8,300, or 32%
  • The last Republican president to preside over a decrease in federal spending was Warren G. Harding who served from 1921 until his death in 1923. During that time federal spending decreased 38% from $5 billion to $3.1 billion.
  • Social welfare programs under George W. Bush have grown by $96 billion in just two years, versus $51 billion under six years of Clinton

Last edited by Radar; 12-06-2002 at 01:34 AM.
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