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Coronation Incarnate
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 91
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Well hermit22,
Since you insist on mistakenly accusing me on History because you're either too lazy to look it up yourself, or afraid to find out I'm correct. I thought you deserved answers from a real Right Wing Republican who happens to teach History,
Allow me to introduce my husband, INDEPENDENCE01,
He thinks your "points" are nubbed.
Israel has always submitted to UN resolutions that carried the threat of force. In 1956 it was UN resolutions issued under article 7 that kept the Arab Confederacy from being completely destroyed.
The only UN resolutions that have been issued under article 7 were largely to get the arabs asses out of a sling.
Point of fact is that if the UN had kept out of the War for Independence, Israel would have fought a decisive victory against those who would bring her harm. The subsequent Nasser inspired follies of 1956 and 1972-74 would never have happened.
During the Battle of the Bulge, do you think the US should have followed a directive by the League of Nations to cease fire were it to have been issued? After all, Germany hadn't directly attacked any US territory, and our Normandy invasion was clearly an act of aggression against soverign German territory.
Israel has fought only defensive wars.
1948-49: Wars for Independence
1956: Sinai Campaign
1967: The Six Day War
1968-73: The War of Attrition
1973: The Yom Kippur War
1976: Entebbe the beginning of the War Against Terrorism
1981: Operation 'Peace For Galilee'
Try reading Chaim Herzog's THE ARAB ISRAELI WARS, a definitive read by someone who was there.
The subsequent UN Resolutions since Security Council Resolution No. 338(imposed cease fire on the IDF's 1973-74 push into Egypt), have all been issued under the auspices of Article 6 of the UN charter. Article 6 resolutions, no matter how eloquently worded or long winded, carry no weight of force. They are in effect, official suggestions; nothing more. SCR-338 carried the threat of UN 'peace' keepers in the form of arab allied soviet forces getting involved on the arab side. These current resolutions of which Israel is supposedly in 'violation' have no weight of force.
You see, it helps if you stayed awake during World Government back in high school.
The only way the UN Security Council can issue Article 7 resolutions is unanimously. The US, and usually the UK, for all purposes almost never support an Article 7 issuance against Israel. Since all it takes is one vote to kill a Resolution, Art 7's are rarely issued against Israel.
The only time the US supported Article 7's is when it looked like the russkies were about ready to walk out of the UN and wage war by themselves: 1956, 1967, 1973-74; all resolutions imposing a cease fire were initiated by russia.
If you are bemoaning western interference with the jordainian/syrian/palestinians situation.
Consider that the West is responsible for this in the first place. Not Britain or the US for creating Israel, but Rome for destroying Israel in 72 AD.
In 72 AD, western invaders(the Romans) destroyed all of Israel, and enslaved the citizens of Israel.
The population of Israel was scattered throughout the farthest regions of the Roman Empire.
Israel ceased to exist as a nation.
But,
the people through their faith endured and survived. Their religion endured.
Now the arab squatters and merchants were not the targets of Rome's wrath. Do you really think that they were going to just leave Israel uninhabited until they finally came back? Consider that no other people have ever survived such a scattering of their culture. And yet some would say miraculously, Israel endured to arise once more.
In 1948, the children of Israel returned to their ancestral home to find it inhabited with all sorts of vermin.
There are no palestinians mentioned in the Bible. If anything contemporary interpretations of the time viewed palestinian and Israeli as one in the same. Since palestine was part of Israel, it could mean nothing else to a first century writer.
Perhaps you are thinking of the PHILISTINES who inhabited the area at one time. Before they were exterminated by the Israelites.
I would give you that in that form there would be a philistine/palestine similarity as Israel will exterminate the jordanian outcasts who currently claim the name 'palestinians'.
...As a matter of fact I do own the road.
No we aren't an empire, I never said we were.
But we have a position of strength that must support our voice of authority. History is littered with the ghosts of nation/states that talked a big talk but grew loathe to use their armies. A weapon unused, becomes a useless weapon.
Our interest in Iraq can be rooted firmly in their violations of the 1992 terms of surrender. It's as simple as that. The terms didn't stipulate that additional SCR's would be needed. It was the completion of an executed Article 7 directive, the surrender fell under the force provisions of that section of the UN charter. All this foot dragging by the EU is typical for that cowardly bunch who don't seem to be good at killing anybody but their own citizens. It is the demsocs here in the US that have bought Iraq over 8 years of developmental time.
Hmmmph clinton's peace dividend consisted of pakistan, n korea, and to a lesser extent iran and iraq, in joining the nuclear club.
China got ICBM technology in exchange for campaign contributions.
Carter got a Nobel for aiding in nonproliferation in N Korea.
Arafat got one for Middle East Peace .
I think Pol Pot is overdue one for population growth.
The US is the de facto keeper of this motley planet. If we won't do it, then nobody will.
The moon has been around as long as we can remember.
But the US wasn't even 200 years old before we went and stuck our flag in it(forget that "all mankind"
PR crapola). It was 1969, we could have just as easily planted a UN flag. But traditional rules of right of claim require we mark our claim with a marker or flag with our symbol on it.
We feed, clothe, shelter, educate, employ, provide welfare and common defense for millions of people besides our own citizens. That's how blessed we truly are.
I'm able to hammer out a pin head online with a Mac with a DSL connection while savoring any luxury I wish.
It beats eating bugs with a dirty floor staring at a dung fueled fire.
It's too bad we can't help everyone, but why should we stick our necks out that far? NOBODY antes more cash to the needy than WE do. Does that get US respect?
Flood, famine, hurricane, earthquake, friggin volcanoes; if they hurt anyone POOF we're there helping anyone who needs it. Any appreciation? Hell no, those nations are so destitute they can't even afford that.
As I said it's too bad we can't help everyone, but as you interjected, we are no empire. We help who we can when we can, rarely asking for anything other than friendship in return.
It's unrealistic to even think you could everyone. As the Christian prophet Jesus said, "the poor will always be with you.". The aramaic word for always pretty much means always, so I think any person with a mote of intelligence knows you can't help everyone.
As for the maligned Senator Joe McCarthy, as bad a rap as he got, he was right about his general assertion just off target on his "list".
Communism had indeed infected significant portions of the US political body. Since we were at a cold war with the russkies(whom were mislabeled commies for some odd reason, considering they were in practice hard line fundamentalist socialists of the highest order) the leftists here had to call themselves socialists then liberals(to greenies and now "centrists") in order to practice their political philosophy without being run out of town on a rail.
McCarthy was used to give the very idea of rooting out socialists a bad name. It's become unamerican to hunt down unamericans in effect.
I grant that McCarthy could have done a better job, but he wasn't that bright a character and I genuinely believed he was completely overwhelmed by the purported evidence that was undoubtably shown to him in private. Just who was able to influence him will always be a mystery, as it is no doubt some insider demsoc rat, but he must have carried some authority in the eyes of old Joe.
I for one pity the poor guy, he got a raw deal and I'm sure he came to realize that his action led to the commie socialists being able to act without restraint in this country. If he was a true Patriot, no doubt that broke his heart.
He allowed the wolves to roam free.
In the end McCarthy was a fine american.....and my favorite Beatle.
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The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the World that he didn't exist.
Keyser Soze
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