[Aliantha]

Well it's nice to see a conservative willing to concede such a point although concede isn't exactly the right word. Maybe agree is better.

When I think about gun control laws in Australia, I'm always forced to remember when Martin Bryant shot 35 people dead which brought on a referendum and strict gun control laws were brought in. A knee jerk reaction which really hasn't solved anything. We still have the same levels of crime and in fact, they're higher than they were, but that's fairly standard across the board for most western countries at the moment. Mr Bryant is locked up in an institution and the 35 people are still dead. If members of the public had had weapons perhaps he would have been shot down sooner, or perhaps more people would have died.

The biggest problem with this argument is that it's almost impossible to resolve even between reasonable people simply because if you have it one way, you can't have it the other and if you can't make the comparison, then there's really only heresay and conjecture.

I believe this is why I don't think it really matters whether everyone or no one has access to guns. It's how people view society that matters, and that's the real problem that needs solving.