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Old 07-27-2001, 08:51 PM   #24
jaguar
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Soccer hooligans remind me of tribes from millennia ago so much it’s not funny.....
The US now seems to be taking England’s stance for much of last centaury and the one before, a policy often described as 'splendid isolation', which suits me fine, there is no way in hell myself or anyone I know wishes in the US (apart from new York), all want to go to Europe that isn’t a corporate state.

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Damn jag...you're only 16...if you're this pessimistic now, wait till you're 40
*laughs, welcome to the screwed up generation, 99% are deeply apathetic about anything outside their own little lives and the other 1% are extremely bitter.

I hate to start throwing round overused and abused term but the Italian police are fucking fascist.

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But I still have faith that the US and the other members of the G8 will work together to make our world a better place for all people. I don't think it's fair to point the finger specifically at the G8 or the IMF, for example. As bureaucracies go, they try to do the best job they can within that red tape.
G8 may be able to do something, I don’t know enough about it but no business leaders are present so maybe they'll actually serve the interests of those who elected them instead of those who line their pockets oh so well. US politics are now a bought and sold resource, hard to have faith in that. Such meetings and organizations have become center points for protests because they are nice big targets and many different groups issues are covered, meaning you get one hell of allot of people on the ground (200,000 @ G8 I think?). In Melbourne they tried a system of letting protesters have a say inside the forum - but they did it in such a patronizing way (to the media some of the attendees called the protesters wild animals from inside the limos, while wearing Armani suits on the way back to their lear jets) that it had zero effect. Let them eat cake isn’t going to work in the end, and if something doesn’t change, history will repeat itself I fear.

On the other hand the fact we have time to protest about issues that don't effect as us as much (compared to French peasants, Russian peasants, pre-civil war America, French-occupied Vietnam) is good, and it says something good about society in general, just not those in power.


I'm not the kind who turns up to any old protest but I can tell you the mood on the ground is certainly getting uglier, there are more and more people saying 'this isn’t working, they don't want to listen, lets ramp it up to the next level' The next level is AK-47s, planned raids, high power internet attacks etc, and believe me there are the resources to do it too...

One of the things that *really* got me with the US election (apart from the Supreme court ruling it was legit to screw the voters by running out the clock then demonstrated how to do it) was that NAder was banned form attending, let alone participating in the presidential debates, the debates which were funded by the same corporations that gave so much $ to the two parties, talk about a duopoly.

I jsut try and make peopel actually interested in things outside the price of the latest MD..
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