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jaguar · 11-05-2002, 10:05 PM

Since when were republics and dictatorships mutually exclusive? But it is a democracy at the moment, that is correct. Since the fall of Soeharto in '98. Since then independence movements have quickened pace in Ambon, Arche (forgotten the spelling), West Papua and others. The government has been ineffective in stopping this fragmentation. Domestic politics in Indonesia is one hell of a messy game and the military has ties all over the place, including Islamic extremists which has further complicated matters for a what is a very unstable government. It is a common opinion that Indonesia will slowly fragment, the only things Soeharto did bring were security though military rule and economic prosperity, when the money ran out he fell and security and sovereign integrity went with him.

We'll see what happens UT. Advanced political systems tend to come with economic prosperity too, there are a myriad of factors in these things obviously. Inflicting hardship on people no matter hwo you do it tends to have 'blowback'.

11-05-2002, 10:05 PM	#11
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Since when were republics and dictatorships mutually exclusive? But it is a democracy at the moment, that is correct. Since the fall of Soeharto in '98. Since then independence movements have quickened pace in Ambon, Arche (forgotten the spelling), West Papua and others. The government has been ineffective in stopping this fragmentation. Domestic politics in Indonesia is one hell of a messy game and the military has ties all over the place, including Islamic extremists which has further complicated matters for a what is a very unstable government. It is a common opinion that Indonesia will slowly fragment, the only things Soeharto did bring were security though military rule and economic prosperity, when the money ran out he fell and security and sovereign integrity went with him. We'll see what happens UT. Advanced political systems tend to come with economic prosperity too, there are a myriad of factors in these things obviously. Inflicting hardship on people no matter hwo you do it tends to have 'blowback'. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 11-05-2002 at 10:09 PM.