[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Hippikos---go fuck yourself. And don't call him Brucey.

Well then Brianna, guess you've completely outargumented me here...

Stalingrad is usually hailed as the turningpoint of the Eastern theatre, but if the US hadnt stepped in.. best case, all of continental Europe, all of north africa, and part of west asia/east europe would be speaking German and have Hitler portraits on the wall.

War historian agreed on several turning points, such as Stalingrad and Midway in the battle in the Pacific. If Hitler could have concentrated on the Western Front only, most likely resulting in long lasting war and/or even peace talks resulting status quo. The German Army was only inches away from capturing Antwerp during the Ardennes battle, which could have resulted in another Dunquerque.

Yeah, right after England bombed the German industrial machine to ashes, without those B-17s, B-25s and B-29s.

As usual you, conveniently, forget the Lancasters. And the P51 would be a complete failure without the British Merlin motor.

Yes, without Land Lease, the US supplies, their troops, WW2 could not have been successful for the Allies in Europe and I have much respect for Generals like Eisenhower, Patton. But, without Russia, WW2 could also never have been successful for the Allies either. I believe that it was possible that with or without America, the wars still could’ve gone either way. I also believe that by bringing Japan into war against the Allies in WW2, that the US indeed just possibly might have done more harm than good to the British and their Allies.

That's discounting the Japs getting involved with Russia,

To my recollection Russia declared war on Japan only on Aug.8th, 1945? After Hiroshima?

We got into it late, so certainly not decisive. That's why we had no say in the horrendous Treaty of Versailles.

That didn't stop Teddy Roosevelt from carpet bagging Europe and finishing off Great Brittain as World Power.