It's a really simple concept. Physics is: what? The laws of little particles and waves and such. And what is the world as we know it made up of? This stuff, this stuff that must obey these laws. There isn’t anything that isn’t made up of this stuff, that must obey these laws. A basketball, bouncing, must obey these laws. A computer, crunching numbers, must obey these laws. And a clump of organic matter, inside your head, must obey these laws. To assume a special quality as regards ourselves in particular is highly arrogant on our part.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
...the sciences of psychology, psychiatry, and neurology...
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These sciences describe processes occurring in the human “mind” – and a lot of debate goes around about where the “mind” lives. However, what we do know is that the body and the brain are composed of the same material as the rest of the universe. Therefore, unless we are to believe that some outside force, some unknown force, is acting upon us, animating us in some unknown fashion (and that is an interesting possibility, and I don’t rule that out – but that possibility can be proven or demonstrated at this point), then we have to accept that we obey the same laws of physics as everything else.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
...autism, schizophrenia, and some forms of intelligence...
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These conditions, unless caused by mysterious invisible forces, are the playing out of complex chemical rections – that obey the laws of physics, just like everything else.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
...more the result of early childhood experiences than they are brain chemistry...
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The perception of the experience, and it’s result upon the individual, take place within the neuro-chemical framework of the human body - that must obey the laws of physics, just like everything else.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
The world cannot be explained by physics alone.
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Of course not. But you can’t just
ignore physics either. The laws of physics act upon all known materials in the universe, including us.
We aren’t special.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
To attempt to do this just goes to show how ignorant of science you really are.
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I could say that you are ignorant, for failing to understand my very simple point, but I won’t, because hurling personal insults doesn’t do it for me. I prefer substance.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
Good science does not fall back on black and white thinking. Science is subtle and complex.
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This characterization of my argument is actually humorous to me. I have a simple point. I am speaking in simple terms because my point is very simple. I am highly aware of the complexity of science. I am aware, for instance, that you can’t just ignore fundamental facts. To me, that is truly ignorant.
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Originally Posted by marichiko
Try cracking a book on biology or psychology sometime. You'll be amazed.
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Hey, more personal insults, cool. You fail to grasp a simple point, and accuse me of not being able to see beyond that point. I can see just fine - however, I am simply discussing the one point you are failing to grasp. As long as you keep failing to grasp it, I will keep trying to explain it. Why? I guess I just have faith in humanity, in the ability of people to understand very basic concepts. Call me a dreamer...
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
How can we do all that...
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Meaning, employ the scientific method with 100% unfailing accuracy? We can't. We can only do our best. As I said, science is "designed to" and "intends to" do something that is an "impossibility" - but, it isn't "carved in stone." So, we do our best. If we want to throw out the scientific method, we may as well teach Creationism to our children.
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Originally Posted by skysidhe
Flint, I am confused. I am just a country bumpkin but I am sure you mean the laws of human physiology and not the law of physics.
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Physiology describes physical aspects of the human body. Physical object must obey the laws of physics. Physiology doesn't make physics not exist.
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Originally Posted by skysidhe
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Neuroscience describes physical aspects of the human body, and the functions of these physical aspects. Physical object must obey the laws of physics. Neuroscience does not refute physics - they work together. You can't just ignore one of them.
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It is an exceedingly simple point, folks.