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Originally posted by jaguar
So why would it be so much safer then dave? I'm curious. I thought it was becase it would mean only sane, capable people would have guns, but that obviously isn't your point. So the idea is the nutters have guns, and the non nutters have guns, so basicly, everyone has and if someone starts shooting, you shoot back. Well fuck that sounds just wonderful, i've always wanted to see what it was like in the wild west.
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I fail to see how it could be so "obvious" yet you have, yet again, misunderstood my position.
Yes, of course only sane, capable persons should have CCP's. And while this may be the case, insane and incapable persons are going to come across guns as well. Now, here's the fun part - they're doing that now anyway. Insane people get guns now if they want them.
So... if they are going to get them anyway... why, exactly, should we disarm those that are both sane and capable (and fully understand and appreciate the responsibility that carrying a firearm demands)?
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Cut the passive-agressive comments, too, i mean i'd call you a fucking moron for making them, but that would be counter productive.
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I suggest you check your definition of passive-aggressive behavior. My comments may have been aggressive, but hardly passive-aggressive. Do you know what these big words mean, or do you just toss them around because you think you do?
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warch
There are plenty of trained, liscensed yet shitty, psycho, drunk, suicidal, asleep, and stupid drivers on the roads killing by operating equipment not specifically designed to kill. I dont see people brandishing guns, as they do cell phones, a terrific solution. Oh, but you specified "good" training, like a really, really hard test?
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Cut the fucking shit. You and I both know that licensing tests for the operation of motor vehicles are a <b>fucking JOKE</b>. Anyone can get a goddamned license. Answer a few common-sense questions, show that you can park a car without killing a baby and now you're legal to drive for the next five years.
Look, maybe you're just strong anti-gun at heart, but you know damned well that I wouldn't advocate some simple test every five years to "maintain" the "fitness" of someone to carry a firearm. Perhaps psychological evaluations would be a good place to start. Rigorous training in the use of a handgun. Government-issued handguns (that the citizen had to pay for, of course), so that it could be known when and where that gun was used (when coupled with a "fingerprinting" that would be done on every gun distributed, such that the authorities could easily match a fired bullet to a specific person).
You <b>know</b> that I'm talking about serious shit here, yet your defense is silly highschool rhetoric. Yes, you're right. The whole idea is bunk. Man, cops kill innocent people sometimes too. We should take guns away from them too! Of course!
Hey, here's a newsflash for everyone. Maybe this will help.
THE GUN CANNOT BE UN-INVENTED
Shittily enough, it is here to stay. Just like the NOO-KYOO-LAR bomb and biological weapons. They suck, and they should never have been invented, but they WERE and they're NOT GOING AWAY.
Now, what you're telling me is that, well hey, they should be removed from the hands of law-abiding citizens. Everyone, of course... but criminals give a fuck about laws? NO. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE FUCKING CRIMINALS. THEY DO NOT GIVE TWO FUCKING SHITS ABOUT WHAT THE LAW SAYS. IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD NOT BE CRIMINALS.
Now. What is to deter them from attacking innocent people and doing as they please?
Yes, that makes about as much sense as the U.S. military disarming. No, that's not INVITING AN ATTACK.
Yeah, so Atticus Finch said "The easiest way to get shot is to carry a gun." Well, he forgot that "The easiest way to neutralize a rapist is to shoot him in the fucking head. And the easiest way to get raped is to have nothing to protect yourself when some escaped convict pulls a gun on you and orders you into his van."
This is fucking stupid, and here's why. I'm not going to convince you, because deep down, you are afraid of guns. It's not a rational thought, it is emotional. And it is not going to be changed. And you're not going to convince me, because your argument makes absolutely no fucking effort to present any type of valid point. It is all based on fear and a vague promise of some utopia that, in reality, will never exist because we don't have the power to undo such fuckups as the invention of the gun and the nuclear bomb and rape and murder.