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Originally Posted by skysidhe

Why does it exsist? ... America is rich in benefits.We make it easy to get it. OR Some just want to send back to Mexico the american dollar.

Which returns to a basic economic concept paraphrased in the book "The World is Flat". For example, The Economist has a famous index - The Big Mac index - that measures currency inequities using something that would otherwise cost same everywhere - MacDonald's Big Mac. Economic distortions are the only reason a Big Mac does not cost same everywhere because economic forces make the world flat.

Another example: labor prices are constant everywhere in the world where a worker is paid what he is worth (a reference to a WSJ article on an American manufacturer who returned from Mexico to save his company). Political (self serving) agendas such as government trying to fix economies (tariffs, stopping flows of labor, things that GATT attempts to eliminate) cause economic distortions. And so we have a massive economic distortion between North and Central America. A symptom of government or other forces that create problems. A problem that we will foolishly solve with a 250,000 troops on the border? Nonsense. 'Force based' solutions (ie Vietnam War, Great Wall of China, tariffs) begs the obvious: people have not a clue what the real problem is.

A simple question suggests how naive many posters were. How much do you know about that Cancun conference that broke up because US and France are now so anti-free trade? How much do you know about this Doha round that has recently missed another milestone; that may be the first free trade round to fail - and directly traceable to a nation once a bastion of free trade. Curiously two countries that also have immigration problems. Countries blamed for being anti-free trade. If economic forces were not being distorted by anti-free trade forces, then a massive immigration problem would not exist.

My only solution and I said it before half in jest was to invest in Mexican property.

Well you are long behind times. A large American community (I believe north of Mexico City) is popular with American retirees. But again, the world is flat. Let economic forces determine where jobs are needed, homes are desired, etc, then those economic forces create equity, equality, and monetary stability.

And so we return to authors of posts who would demand, instead, a 'big dic' solution. Blame the victims of economic forces that create those victims. Jose Mexicana is a classic victim when governments, political and hate based biases, and other anti-social forces create this need for massive immigration. A problem only made worse when the 'powers that be' (governments), their mouth pieces (Rush Limbaugh political extremists), and the naive (those who have strong opinions but cannot even answer a simple question) conspire to make Jose Mexicana (and others throughout history just like him) the victim. AND then blame Jose for his own plight.

It simply takes us right back to a simple question. A question that anyone who makes decisions only after first learning facts would have no problem answering: "Why does massive illegal immigration exists and why is it so necessary?"

Demonstrated after watching for so long so many Cellar Dwellers with such strong opinion: then why can no one answer this so obviously simple question? MaggieL who posted most often a strong opinion has simply made herself a 'poster boy' for those who have opinions but did not bother to first learn facts.

"Why does massive illegal immigration exists and why is it so necessary?" A question so easily answered if one first learned the 'what, why, how, and whos' long before having opinions.

Originally Posted by MaggieL

That used to be called "begging the question" before morons started using it to mean what it sounds like it should mean. Now you have to call it petitio principii to avoid confuising the dimwitted.

Well MaggieL, if your only response is to insult, then that puts you in a category with famous dimwit - Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh's technique, when exposed as a liar - is to attack the messenger. This was also how Nazis did it in 1930s Germany.

You are posting personal attacks so that you don't have to answer the fundamental question on illegal immigration. You are demonstrating reasons why massive illegal immigration exists. Too many Americans so hate America - the definition of anti-American - as to have opinions without first learning facts. If you had facts, you would not repeatedly post insults.

However, and again, why not just answer the simple question? I only post a simple question that you apparently either fear or just cannot answer. "Why does massive illegal immigration exists and why is it so necessary?"