[Xugumad]

Originally posted by Undertoad
[W]hen the US pulls its troops out of Germany, and Germany has to deal with the Mossad directly.

You don't seem to be aware of the amount of troops stationed in Germany right now. Do some research before posting, please.

And Europe has to deal with Germany directly.

Germany, the country that is unifying its armed forces with that of the rest of the EU. Germany, the country that doesn't have control over its own economy anymore, having ceded economic sovereignty (and soon military sovereignty) to the European Union. Germany, the country that is pushing for an ever-stronger European Parliament with more legislative power? Germany, of of the most liberal and pacifist country in the EU, where even the (opposition) right-wing party would be considered too leftist for US politics? Germany, the country with the Green Party in government, which just had its Socialist-Green ruling government coalition re-elected. Yes, Europe will truly have to deal with that danger. It's 1933 all over again.

Or perhaps the international terrorist community will respect Germany's borders more when Germany is defending them - since Germany is such a gracious nation to respect Iraq's borders.

Strange, without American troops to bomb, the terrorists have comparatively little interest in Germany. Even the democratic opposition party that briefly occupied Iraq's embassy in Berlin in the end left without violence, merely wanting to make a statement. It seems that if you don't actively piss off people, they don't want to kill you. Maybe you want to consider which government you want to elect - one that wants to support 3rd world dictators and selectively kill others, or one that refuses to deal with such nonsese.

My own guess is that the terrorists don't give two shits about what a nation's policies are, if the policies are set in place by infidels.

Oh dear, the religion angle again. Too much fox news? The infidels are those who mess up their region, and those allied with them. That's why there were planes set to fly into US and UK targets. Everything else is speculation.

Hey, it's okay if Europe is late to this war. (I'm speaking about the unstated war here, the war against radical Islam.)

How nice, you ignore my point about Algerian terrorists in France in the early-mid 1990s.

The US is late to terrorism, the RAF, IRA etc. were a major problem in Europe in decades past. You still haven't figured that out, even though you pretended to, in another thread. Don't dig up that nonsense again, please.

After all, the US was not ready in 1939.

And it's not ready not, the current administration's bumbling incompetence and obvious PR ploys regarding Iraq show that.

I've given this proof to you in the form of instructions that will take you a half-day to execute.

Since you were clearly unwilling to do so (is seeking the truth harder than sitting and watching CNN, which gives you pre-chewed thoughtbites?), I presented you with fairly detailled quotations which proved the US-Iraq biochem weapons link of the 1980s.

I expect you to trust me on this, even though it's been 20 years since I read it.

I do expect to trust me on this, as I trust you on factual matters that you claim to be true. I then backed up my statement with fact. You added the "20" to make it sound like a silly, exaggerated claim, which I never used. I'm not sure why you think I'd want to lie to you on simple factual issues. Opinion is another thing, claiming that something exists when it does not is childish and doesn't add anything.

My response was <i>Is that the best you can do?</i> and I stand by that response. Instead of a two-page long screed, you could have just said <i>Yes, sorry.</i>

How about "Xugumad, I'll take your words at face value since I have no reason to believe you're lying to me. Please provide some sort of evidence as soon as you can." You will note that I did provide evidence. Since you mock the "two-page long screed", it had mostly little to do with your actual phrase, but was the proof to jaguar's claims. (and to my backup for them)

I assume, since you are vaguely implying that I should be somewhat apologetic (please accept my feeble, unverifiable facts, etc), that you refuse to even address any of the proof I presented. It seems to be in line with the method of debate, however: make outlandish claims, deny everything, and when proof is presented, attack the way it's presented and use semantic tangents to avoid losing face.

Since nobody seems willing to attack the actual content of my posts, rather than the presentation, it's time to say goodbye to this thread.

X.

PS:

In the US we spell it Octoberfest.

<a href="http://www.oktoberfest.org/">No</a>, <a href="http://www.oktoberfest-zinzinnati.com/">you</a> <a href="http://www.fremontoktoberfest.org/">very</a> <a href="http://www.tulsaoktoberfest.org/">often</a> <a href="http://www.oktoberfestusa.com/">don't</a>. Most Oktoberfest/Octoberfest links at Google will go to US fests, which almost uniformly spell it 'Oktoberfest'. Since you were mocking Germany in your phrase where you misspelled it (and see Google wanting to change your spelling to the proper one, if you mistype it), you had to use the German spelling. My followup regarding the misspelling of Thanksgiving which illustrated my point in an obvious manner was ignored.