[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Regime, quotha! Look, it is evidence that I understand both humanity and this world better than you do that I voted for George, twice. You've never been able to give me any reason to regret it, because ol' George keeps doing things I want done, and avoiding doing the things I don't. This kind of leaves you out in the cold, but I'd say you deserve some time in the outer darkness. Wail and gnash all you like -- you need to be pushed aside, after all the weakness and error of those who think like you.

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And no, not being misled by the argument of "moral equivalence," which has visibly suckered you, I would not be "okay" with a "predemption" (I don't think that's a word, perhaps you meant preemption) from the fascist Marxists -- for fascism and Marxism have no real difference: they are about unfreedom and nondemocracy. The slavemakers must be wiped out by the freedom people for the world to be clean. I'd enjoy a clean world. You?

I've been around enough of the world to see what nondemocracies wreak, and it is nasty. We free people must smash them, and all who don't help with the smashing must hold their manhood small, and their heads lowered in the company of their heroic betters. It's better to make freedom, Rich, and hang all who would circumscribe it.

Patriot? Not you, not visibly. Carper, yes. Naysayer, indeed. I'd go on, but it would be merely repetitive. Suffice it to say you're not earning respect here.

Whose respect, yours, the residents of the Cellar's, or everyone's? I just what to be sure of the limits of your self delusion.

As far as can see, the only mistake you found in my post was 'predemption'. I appreciate your skill in spotting my typographical error and I will recommend you as a spell checker, if not as much use as a fact checker.

I would much rather hold my government to high standards than to excuse it's failings, for to do so would be a derelection of my duty as a citizen. I am more comfortable judging actions from the standpoint of 'moral equivalency' than falling victim to the trap of 'moral superiority'. You on the other hand, seem willing to shirk your responsibility in this area and still stake claim to a 'moral superiority' that makes no demands upon the conscience and decency of our republic. A man who believes in 'moral equivalency' sees a crime when a gunfight between two drug dealers kills a nine-year-old child. A man who believes in 'moral superiority' forgives the crime if the killer was not the one firing the first shot.

A true lover of freedom will defend the rights of any people to elect their own leaders, free from the influence of foreign nations, even if the foreign nation is ours. You seem to feel that we have some manifest destiny to force our choices upon others. I believe in the destruction of tyrants. You seem to be willing to make an exception if the tyrant is us or those of our choosing. I will defend my freedom, that of my family, my nation, and those of any people who wish to freely elect their leaders, against their enemies, even those who consider themselves "their heroic betters".

I understand the difficulty that a person with a dichromatic worldview can have when subjected to the terrible reality that the 'good guys' can do bad things. I appreciate your need to twice vote for our president in the same way I apprecieate the necessity for the wolf in a pack to sniff the butt of it's pack leader for reassurance in times of stress. It's very heartwarming in a Nature Channel kind of way, and in an anthropomorphic manner can even seem like the choice an intelligent human might make.

It might even make our military more effective to have men like you on board again, who are not troubled by attacks of conscience and whose blind obedience to stated principle with no attempt at verifying the truth of the situation would actually work in a war built on 'faulty intelligence'. Unfortunately, the new weapons we use require a certain level of intelligence, and finding people smart enough to operate them and dumb enough to maintain you narrow view of 'freedom' is an impossible task. It really is a shame, because allowing the real citizen soldiers to come home and guys like you to operate in a brutal war zone would certainly be an effective way of matching skills. Scorpions and snakes belong in brutal wastelands, and guys like you belong in places where conscience is a liability.

As for 'not earning respect', I have to consider the source. Not having your respect to me is like being on Adolf Hitler's shit list. On the one hand, I would consider it a place of honor. And in any case, I would have to consider what cancer of the soul I would have to acquire to 'earn' such 'respect'.

It's better to make freedom, Rich, and hang all who would circumscribe it.

When you finally realize the absurdity of this statement when mixed with all of the others you have made, please call the suicide hotline before you reach for a rope and a chair.

We free people must smash them, and all who don't help with the smashing must hold their manhood small, and their heads lowered in the company of their heroic betters.

And yet you still advocate the crushing of freely elected governments when their politics do not match yours. Such actions are more suited to the Knights Templar or Waffen SS, two groups that considered themselves 'heroic betters'.