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Originally Posted by MaggieL

No wonder nobody listens to the left anymore.

More quotes from someone that MaggieL considers a lefty extremist:

It is called "the Bush Doctrine." It is a prescription for permanent war for permanent peace, though wars are the death of republics. "No nation," warned Madison, can "preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." ...

In 2003, the United States invaded a country that did not threaten us, did not attack us, and did not want war with us, to disarm it of weapons we have since discovered it did not have. His war cabinet assured President Bush that weapons of mass destruction would be found, that U.S. forces would be welcome with garlands of flowers, that democracy would flourish in Iraq and spread across the Middle East, that our triumph would convince Israelis and Palestinians to sit down and make peace.

None of this has happened. Those of us who were called unpatriotic for opposing an invasion of Iraq and who warned we would inherit our own Lebanon of 25 million Iraqis were proven right. Now ourt nation is tied down and our army is being daily bled in a war to create a democracy in a country where it has never before existed.

With the guerrilla war, U.S. prestige has plummeted. The hatred of President Bush is pandemic from Marrakech to Mosul. Volunteers to fight the Americans have been trickling into Iraq from Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. In spring 2004, revelations of the sadistic abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghriad prison sent U.S. prestige sinking to its lowest levels every in the Arab world. We may have ignited the war of civilizations it was in our vital interest to avoid. Never has America been more resented and reviled in an Islamic world of a billion people. ...

The Bush threat of war upon nations that had not attacked us was unprecedented. Truman never threatened war to stop Stalin from building atomic bombs after Russia tested one in 1949. LBJ did not threaten war on China when it exploded a nuclear weapon in 1964. While it had been U.S. policy to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, Russia, Britain, France, China, Israel, India, and Pakistan had all acquired nuclear weapons without serious retribution from the United States.

Yet Bush had put Iran, Iraq, and North Korea on notice. Should any of the three seek to enter the circle of nations possessing nuclear weapons - some of which date back to World War I - they risked a preemptive strike and war to disarm them and effect "regime change" in their countries. Though the president may not have known it when he issued his ultimata, North Korea, and Iran already had secret nuclear programs underway.

Still, President Bush had no authority to issue those threats. The Constitution does not empower the president to launch preventive wars. To attain Churchillian heights, Bush's speechwriters had taken him over the top. But, as events would demonstrate, Bush fully intended to go where his rhetoric was leading him. ...

5) We attacked, invaded, and occupied a prostrate Arab nation that did not attack us, and did not want war with us, and could not resist us, on the pretext that Iraq had played a role in the 9/11 horrors and was building weapons of mass destruction to attack us. These were lies to cover up our greed to control the oil wealth of Iraq, destroy a defiant Arab nation, and erect an American empire in the Middle East.
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By attacking and occupying an Arab nation that had no role in 9/11, no plans to attack us, and no weapons of mass destruction, we played into bin Laden's hand. We have given Muslims from Morocco to Malaysia a unifying cause and recruiting slogan: "Drive the Americans out of Iraq!"

According to MaggieL, above is also lefty rhetoric. She knows because she has been properly indoctrinated into right wing conservatism. Or has she? Maybe she is so wacko extreme right that even right wing conservatives are pinko lefties? The above quotes are from Pat Buchanan - a famous right wing conservative. To MaggieL, Pat Buchanan is a leftist because MaggieL is that wacko right wing extreme. To MaggieL, centrists are also lefty pinko extremists. It happens when political agendas replace intelligent thought.

One can be conservative and smart. Buchanan did not let wacko extremist rhetoric promote lies about WMDs and threats of a toothless Saddam. Remember MaggieL - you were first to post insults without any supporting facts. Poltical dogma is not a replacement for intelligent thought. You could have posted facts in defense of your opinions. But that is not what fringe extremists do.

Intelligent conservatives label George Jr and so many in his administration as incompetent. Apparently it takes longer for logical thought to get out to extremist fringe. Your opinions are even 'right wing extremist' to Pat Buchanan.

Insult - one posts accusations not based in reality and not even justified by facts. MaggieL, that is the difference between what you posted and what a responsible poster does. You would be better advised to provide supporting facts with your posts. Above is an example of how intelligent conservatives reason.