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Old 08-24-2002, 07:32 AM   #3
jaguar
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You're still avoiding the point as much as you possibly can. It’s quite funny really.

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Why shouldn't Grandma have a shotgun? Are we afraid she's going to hold up a liquor store? Maybe she might use it to defend herself and her home, now *that* would be horrible, wouldn't it?
Maybe the thought that its a pretty fucked up society that requires kids to have M16s to be safe?

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I can understand completely that many of Oleg's photos are disturbing to hoplophobes. They deliberately create cognitive dissonance in an attempt to get people to think about why their emotional reactions are what they are.
Bullshit. Read the text on the pages, it’s equally extremist.

One other point got me about that sight. All the rounds he recommends for self defense are dumdum rounds which are explicitly banned by the Geneva Convention.

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I can understand completely that many of Oleg's photos are disturbing to hoplophobes
Don't even try such bullshit. You'd think any sane person would find the image of a kid with a high power assault rifle wearing camo gear scary. Its the kind of the I’d expect to see in an UN ad against use of child soldiers. Hoplophobes? Ten points for dressing up terms to make them alien. Zero for logic. I've fired guns, I've carried guns. Yet oddly enough I don't feel the need to carry one to feel safe here. In fact carrying one would make me feel *less* safe, situation escalation is dangerous. If I was somewhere where weapons carrying was common, I'd like to carry one, like some parts of the United States. Because I do not trust anyone else with a firearm.

I don't know which guy is half drunk and is going to mistake me for an attacker, which guy is paranoid, which guy is in a really bad mood. I'd don't know which one of them is carrying an .44 Magnum.

I don't like the concept for a 'armed polite' wild west style society, in fact it sounds pretty horrible.

In an attempt to get this more discussion and less arguement, what about non-lethal weapons? For self defense purposes surely CS Spray, tasters of others are extremely effective, designed for the purpose and *NOONE DIES* which is what i don't like about guns for self defense. Its all good to carry self defense but can we do it without killing people?
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