Well, Fargon is not the only one. Dov seems to be sending a lot of inconsistent messages, himself. He arrived on this board spoiling for a fight and has managed to post something inflammatory on every thread he visits. Then he whines "poor me." He feels the US support of Israel is about the fundies wanting to herd all Jewish peoples there for the last coming. This despite the fact that US administrations of all political stripes have supported the Israeli State, regardless. What? Would he be happier if we invaded Israel since they do have WMD's and demolished the country and gave it to the Saudi Royal Family, instead? Discussing anything with the man is pointless, because you can bet that he will only twist things round to his own sole obsession. I am bored already and he's been around less than a week.