[Elspode]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

The other side wants to frame this argument like it's some kind of uprising or revolution by some poor disaffected class of downtrodden, oppressed people. Nothing like a theocracy is happening here. Anyone who truly thinks that the recognition of Christmas by the government is the same thing as the government establishing a state religion should have a look at the circumstances that caused us to leave England in the first place. The two situations are as different as night and day.

Uh...*did* everyone here come from England, or are there numerous different ethnic backgrounds with numerous different ideas about spirituality? Heck, last time I checked, even Christians didn't agree about exactly what was what.

The people leading this fight against everything that used to be considered good and right aren't trying to help anyone, they're just picking a fight with what they consider to be a judgmental moral code that frowns upon the stuff they like to do. You'll never get anyone to admit it though.

Um...I'm not leading a fight against good and right. I have kids. I've raised them with morals. They aren't Christian morals, but they aren't running around doing drugs, stealing or killing anyone. So, how again am I part of running down morality and decency? I'm not trying to make this an Elspode vs Mrnoodle argument...I'm just trying to make a point that not everyone who doesn't think that Christianity should run everything is defacto actively trying to turn the world into a moral sewer. It doesn't work that way. No one *has* to act the ass just because one *can* act the ass.

The sad thing is, perfectly reasonable, intelligent people are pulled into this stupidity because of their innate desire to stick up for the disaffected. Once they've bought the spiel that this is about religious minorities not being represented by the government, they'll never hear another argument to the contrary. It's hopeless.

I'm still waiting for the argument to the contrary. I say that a religiously neutral government is fair to everyone, because then, everyone can practice their religion as they see fit, gathering together with like-minded people to revel in their mutual spirituality. Please tell me how that's wrong, and why a government that sanctions any specific single religious path is better.

If a Christian ever makes a stink because something offends them, they're laughed at as a holier-than-thou hypocrite who doesn't deserve serious consideration. Insert any other word than "Christian", and suddenly you have a Major Social Issue That Must Be Addressed.

Au contraire...Christians should express their points of view. They just shouldn't legislate them. Minorities are protected because the Majority will always trample them. After all, they're minorities, and the Majority wins. If one studies history, one finds that, at one time, Christians were in the minority, and they were treated rather shabbily. What happens if the tables turn again someday? Will it be alright for any other popular religion to then make the rules, even if the Christian minority doesn't like them?

I'm afraid that the left is finally going to get the kind of world they're begging for. Hopefully there will be enough normal people left to save them from it.

I must take issue with being lumped in with abnormals. I'm not. Different doesn't mean abnormal.