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Originally posted by dhamsaic
However, I definitely would like to see something more than a single person giving their story.

The evidence that I provided is only a fraction of what is out there. It comes from a report written by B'Tselem, an Israeli group. And even they are not as comprehensive in documenting the crimes against humanity routinely conducted by the Israeli army. The fact that this evidence surprises you speaks volumes about your exposure to media other than american or possibly israeli. Truth is still truth whether one wishes to see it or not. It is your choice.

Even taking that into account, I still seriously doubt that you can support your assertion that a majority of Palestinian deaths are caused by this. Again, you're welcome to prove me wrong.

Again from the B'Tselem website:

Senior IDF officials have repeatedly rejected claims that soldiers fire without justification and claim that the IDF refrains from harming innocent persons. This report contradicts these claims: The IDF's open-fire policy throughout this intifada has resulted in extensive harm to Palestinian civilians who were not involved in any activity against Israel. These incidents are not "exceptional" cases, but rather they constitute a large portion of the casualties throughout the Occupied Territories.

Ah, yes. I see. It's okay to kill a couple of those dirty zionist kikes. Of course, heaven forbid that a Palestinian be killed.

As with all criticism of Israel, the argument ends with the criticizer being labeled an Anti-Semite, which is what dhamsaic has virtually called me. Criticize Israel, automatically you are an anti-semite.

you continue to misunderstand what I mean by saying Israel does not have true regret. Let me spell it out for you.

When I said Hamas has nothing to regret, it has nothing to regret in terms of its IMAGE being harmed, since it is considered a terrorist group anyway. It also does not regret killing civilians, though it should.


When Israel says it has regret, it has regret for its IMAGE being harmed. It DOES NOT have regret for the civilians killed, just as Hamas doesn't.

You have to treat the murder of civilians equally, no matter what side they're on. If it's okay for Israeli civilians to be killed then it's okay for Palestinian civilians to be killed too.

Never once in any of my posts have I said that killing Israeli civilians is right.

BUT I refuse to call Israel's actions "defensive measures." Under your definition of terrorism, Israel is guilty as charged for using violence as a means to intimidate palestinian society.