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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

But do you come up with a warwinning strategy that makes getting tough with the America-haters (who were hating on us before we beat them up, so if there's any difference in their attitude it'd take a ten-power loupe to see it) completely unnecessary? You do not. Bitch bitch bitch about fighting a war only made necessary by anti-Americans is all you ever do. Any idiot can complain, and tw certainly is the first and foremost of the complainers.

Tw, you do not know how to win the War On Terror. I'd say the third demonstration of that in a single thread is conclusive.

...*several deep breaths*...

Urbane Guerrilla, based on your previous posts, and what I see here, you're so, so, so wrong... I want to speak calmly, and using simple words and relatively short sentences, so I can be as clear as possible. I have no hope that you'll be persuaded by my words, but I offer them to the rest of the dwellars as evidence that your words are only an abberation, a misspoken utterance, not representative of the vox populi.

First off, I hold tw responsible for offering a strategy as to how to win the war to the same degree that I hold you responsible for the same, which is to say, not at all. You're "just some guy on the internet", after all, same as tw. I hold our President responsible, and to this point, he has not been forthcoming. He's got squat.

You tried and failed to slyly change the subject from "Torture is bad, why is our VP promoting it" to "You don't have a strategy for winning the war, so shut up". There are other threads dedicated to the war and it's many aspects, including torture. Go whine there. Or, maybe I'm reading you wrong. Do you contend that a necessary tool for "winning" this "war" is the freedom to torture? Are you saying we can't win this war without torturing prisoners? That is just flat out chickenshit, and you know it.

As to being a complainer, tw is granted the same freedom to complain as you so freely enjoy. If you don't like it, go away. I mean it. You're like a rude comic that startles an embarassed chuckle from an audience. Titillating in small doses, but spiritually toxic at longer exposures. And where do you get the authority to claim that tw is "the first and foremost of the complainers"?! Back off, jack; I deserve consideration for that honor. I find this whole prospect that America has traded the reputation as "the home of the free and the land of the brave" for "We don't torture." reason for complaint. I am complaining.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

..the America-haters (who were hating on us before we beat them up, so if there's any difference in their attitude it'd take a ten-power loupe to see it)...

This is the heart of your mistake, pay attention. Why would you want to associate the attitudes of "America-haters" with the actions of those who "beat them up"? Oh, they hated you first. "Beating them up" didn't change their attitude, so it's ok. That's why you support torturing them? To change their attitude?

I have a question: Can you explain why torture is a good idea? Tell us if you support it (as it seems you do), and if so, why? Explain it's usefulness, it's validity. I defy you.

If there ever was an "anti-American" attitude, torturing prisoners is it. The more loudly you support that idea, the more you become what you say you hate. It would be better for you (and far more pleasant for everyone else), if you would just shut up. Dick Cheney not need your help, if this is what you consider help.