[jaguar]

Do you have some kind in intellectual disability?
No, I'm serious. How can you get the semantics of what I've posted so badly wrong?
Which part of the following series of statements is incorrect?
Burning cars is a crime.
Burning shops is a crime.
Shooting at police is a crime.
Committing a crime makes you a criminal.
Thus, Rioters are criminals. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Now based on a considerable amount of anecdotal evidence I'd say most of the rioters were well aquatinted with the wrong side of the law before these riots but that's beside the point.

The cause is neither institutionalized racism alone or criminal elements. The cause is a complex mix of socioeconomic and cultural factors which do, unquestionably, and as I've said all the way though, need to be dealt with. That however does not excuse rioting, which is still crime and should be dealt with as it would anyone else. Anything less is racism. Violence is never an acceptable answer.

As for your number, I did reply. Read it. It's not black and white. I'm getting sick of repeating myself. Maybe it seems to goddamn crystal clear over there because, hey, you have no idea what it's like on the ground.

Lastly I have never used the word scum, I never said the root of the riots was not social factors though I debate which and to what degree. If anyone is putting words in people's mouths and jumping to conclusions it's you, you want to quote me, do it properly. And answer my questions.

Here's some examples of me, and I quote, "Ignoring the underlying reasons for the riots"

....that isn't going to solve the problem, what is, and what I said before is to try and break up the ghettos, properly educate the kids and create jobs for the young men and women with nothing better to do than turn to crime....

Noone is denying there are serious problems

Is there some racism involved? Certainly, but there is racism on both sides of the fence and both need to be addressed

force isn't a long term solution but it is a short term one while you implement a long term one. And as I also stated above and you also conveniently ignored that should revolve around massive investment in culturally-aware policing, education and job creation.