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Originally Posted by Tonchi

This is not what France is facing, however. One of the few things Reagan said that I agreed with was when he told the story about how a person from ANY country - no matter what color, religion, or background - could BE an American. We are an entire nation of immigrants, it is our strength and not our weakness. But Reagan said you can't go to Italy and become an Italian or to France and become French the same way. The problem in France is so painful because they are facing a crisis of their national identity if the Muslim immigration continues unchecked. They can't be "absorbed", and that is what keeps them second-class or worse there.

Endorsed above is a fundamental that promotes racism in nations. Any nation that cannot absorb immigrants is doomed to decay and racist citizens. That is history that also demonstrated this trend: the most productive members of a population are its third generation immigrants.

What Tonchi is saying is that some European nations must die off because they cannot do what America did. Italy, for example, is a nation seriously short of productive workers. Immigrants are desperately needed and should so easily become Italians. To say, for one minute, that only this type of person is Italian and that others must conform to this image; that's racist. My friend has Korean daughters - who speak with southern belle accents. Clearly they cannot be southern. Just look at the eyes. Clearly they cannot be southern American belles. Just look at the eyes. And yet that is what American is. What was typically American yesterday must not be the typical American of tomorrow. American means not being what was previously a typical American. Italian means not being what the typical Italian was 20 years ago. It is why productive nations - and their populations - change with the times.

I disagree with Tonchi's comment about Miami. What he said is not even what the historical summaries document. Yes- the Mariel boatlift did include many hard core criminals. But it also included many times more productive people who were criminals only according to Castro politics.

Somehow Tonchi assumes only professionals - ie doctors - can be productive. Miami found among the Mariel boat people a massive number of productive Americans. That is history by looking at everyone - not just the scum people that Tonchi knew. Mariel boat refugees were not made productive because of police enforcement. They were productive because they were Cubans - humans who would start all over again from scratch to become employed and productive residents. They wanted what most people in the world want.

Yes, I believe that California will be a different and not automatically worse place because of the immigrants. They will contribute a new vitality, but only when they get out from under the Plantation Economy which brought most of them here in the first place. They have nothing in common with the Cubans except dialects of the same language (except for the Mixtecs, but that is a different problem).

Apparently the most important statement about immigrants was misunderstood. A nation's most productive people are its third generation immigrants. Same for Miami immigrants, as for CA immigrants, and as for French immigrants. Unfortunately too many only complain about today - the classic MBA response - without considering long term consequences. Long term consequences are only what we should be looking at. What would be the source of another wave of CA prosperity? All those plantation workers whose offspring will be raised on those same principles of hard work, temperance, freedom, responsibility, and the 'American dream' are, historically, the best source of a productive America.

Again, what is the greatest source of a nation's success? Its third generation immigrants. Time to stop complaining about them. Time to start dealing productively with them.

If Tonchi has a problem with too many immigrants, then why did I not see a single post from him about the mental midget president who maintain agricultural subsidies (a screw the world attitude), protect anti-American industries such as steel, corporate welfare, etc - all so that illegal immigrants must come to America for those jobs?

Perfect example of a hypocrite would be one who complains about illegal immigration and yet does not immediate start complaining why so many immigrants must come here. Where is that complaint against US government subsidies - corporate welfare - to US Sugar and other industries who need those illegals? If a problem exists, that is where the complaints should start.

Two countries that will not come to grips with the reasons for illegal immigration - US and France - are THE two countries also accused of perverting the Doha round of the WTO trade talks. Of course, if you have a responsible viewpoint on illegal immigration, then you know specifically of the premature breakup of those Doha round talks recently in Mexico. A breakup directly traceable to France and the George Jr "we know better than everyone else" attitude.

Meanwhile the mass flow of immigrants in CA and Miami will be and are examples of what has made America (and other nations) great. This even demonstrated by the Roman Empire. Those who have a problem with immigration should be attacking incumbent politicians tomorrow for creating the problem by perverting globalisation.



BTW, if you don't know who to vote for tomorrow, then vote against the incumbent. Otherwise the incumbents have a history of becoming corrupt faster.