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07-07-2005, 03:51 PM

Lookout's comments about statistics got me to checking and I discovered a very cool site with all kinds of statistics from a variety of sources, "Historical Atlas of the Twentieth Century"

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/20centry.htm

Here's a sample from some of the most recent Mid East wars and conflicts:

Gulf War:
The US lost 147 killed in battle and 289 dead otherwise. The other Coalition members lost 92 dead.
Shortly after the war, the US Defense Intelligence Agency made a very rough estimate of 100,000 Iraqi deaths, and this order of magnitude is widely accepted.

So that's 528 of "us" versus 100,000 of "them" according to the bleeding hearts over at the Defense Intellience Agency. Comes out to 200 of them for every 1 of us.

Afganistan/Soviet Invasion
Britannica Annual (1994): 1,500,000 Afganistan combatants plus civilians
(20 May 88 Chicago Tribune) Soviet deaths: 12-15,000 killed
100 of them for every 1 Soviet

Iraq Invasion
ESTIMATED TOTAL KILLED (12 June 2005)
USA, Coalition and contractors: 2,131 (ICasualties.Org)
Iraqi military during invasion: 7,600-13,500 (Proj. Def. Alt., NY Post, Guardian)
Iraqi insurgents: 10,000-15,000 (CNN)
Iraqi security forces, post-invasion: 1,300-2,267 (NY Times, CNN, ICasualties.Org) Civilians: 22,248-25,229 (Iraq Body Count)
I used a middle number from each estimate to come up with a conservative total of 52,131 Iraqi dead as of June. This does not take into account the high number of deaths due to the UN embargo during Saddam's regime.
So an extremely conservative 25 of them for every 1 of us.

You know, when it comes to killing, the West does seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Radar may have grabbed his statistic out of the air, but he does seem to be good at catching fly balls.

07-07-2005, 03:51 PM	#53
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Lookout's comments about statistics got me to checking and I discovered a very cool site with all kinds of statistics from a variety of sources, "Historical Atlas of the Twentieth Century" http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/20centry.htm Here's a sample from some of the most recent Mid East wars and conflicts: Gulf War: The US lost 147 killed in battle and 289 dead otherwise. The other Coalition members lost 92 dead. Shortly after the war, the US Defense Intelligence Agency made a very rough estimate of 100,000 Iraqi deaths, and this order of magnitude is widely accepted. So that's 528 of "us" versus 100,000 of "them" according to the bleeding hearts over at the Defense Intellience Agency. Comes out to 200 of them for every 1 of us. Afganistan/Soviet Invasion Britannica Annual (1994): 1,500,000 Afganistan combatants plus civilians (20 May 88 Chicago Tribune) Soviet deaths: 12-15,000 killed 100 of them for every 1 Soviet Iraq Invasion ESTIMATED TOTAL KILLED (12 June 2005) USA, Coalition and contractors: 2,131 (ICasualties.Org) Iraqi military during invasion: 7,600-13,500 (Proj. Def. Alt., NY Post, Guardian) Iraqi insurgents: 10,000-15,000 (CNN) Iraqi security forces, post-invasion: 1,300-2,267 (NY Times, CNN, ICasualties.Org) Civilians: 22,248-25,229 (Iraq Body Count) I used a middle number from each estimate to come up with a conservative total of 52,131 Iraqi dead as of June. This does not take into account the high number of deaths due to the UN embargo during Saddam's regime. So an extremely conservative 25 of them for every 1 of us. You know, when it comes to killing, the West does seem to be doing a pretty good job. Radar may have grabbed his statistic out of the air, but he does seem to be good at catching fly balls.