Ok ok, I agree all of this sounds hippy/bullshit and is completely unprovable. So for most of you, stop reading now.
For those with slightly more lateral minds, let's remove the hippy associations attached to the words and try and advance....
Look I'm not asking you to believe me, just be open to the idea and watch life around you, and see if it's true. You can see all the same things I can. Do you really think
you create? I argue that we only modify what already exists. What have we actually, tangibly created? Nothing. So it must have come from somewhere else. I don't know about the words 'god' or even 'collective consciousness' (although this is slightly more precise), they're probably just confusing the issue.
It is not a tangible 'network' as such, just what is there. God I realise this is sounding shite but I'm sorry I don't have the words to express it.
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Originally Posted by mrnoodle
Is there no original thought, then?
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Yes, but to assume it comes from 'you' or 'me' is the slip-up.
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Originally Posted by Beestie
isn't it more rational to believe that communality and co-incidence in human behavior and the history of ideas is a function of the similarity of humans and the needs which drive the ideas rather than an utterly unprovable hypothesis of a collective consciousness?
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same thing.
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Originally Posted by Beestie
Seems to me that you have fallen in love with the idea and exempted it from rigorous critque and you are frustrated that your Cellar mates aren't as willing to do likewise.
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Hmm, possibly. I don't mean to come across as closed. It's just this is such a difficult thing to explain (for me anyway) that trying to 'argue' it in the usual way doesn't always work. I have no proof or back-up; I'm on my own! And the hippies don't count, they just say these things to feel better about mis-spent lives. Well I can assure you it certainly doesn't make me feel better when I try to communicate and it's met by resistance from
everyone! No, not a call for pity, I don't want to be agreed with, just someone to go 'ah right
now I get it'.