xoB:
You've been around the cellar a lot longer than I have, and I've had the pleasure of reading
many posts by you. I laughed, I agreed, I laughed some more, I gave a point more thought, when I read your posts. This last post deserves the same treatment--after all, you're the same fella with the same wise friendly voice. Maybe I missed something in my response, or got my fingers tangled in the editor and posted something different from what I intended. So I did some more research, I reviewed all the posts. Here's what I found.
I could not find another reference to confirm my statement about the kid's grandfather being the chief of police. I thought for sure that's how I heard him described on the radio, and that he was the person who trained the unarmed security guard at the school, the first victim at the school. All I could find was that he was a tribal police officer, but no confirmation that he was the chief of police. I withdraw the overstatement.
It's clear he was a cop, though. My personal experience with cops in my family is that they are observant people. They do stay in touch with their children. They're aware of what's going on in their households. My personal experience represents a very small sample, to be sure. However, when you make your statement:
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Originally Posted by BigV
The first victim. The former chief of police, someone you could reasonably expect to "stay in touch" with his "kid".
That's a joke, right? Gotta be. If the "Former Chief" did stay in touch with the kid then he was probably bullied by more than schoolmates. Cops don't "stay in touch" with kids in a way that makes them feel warm and fuzzy. |
I wonder what you base it on. At best it is an uncharitable generalization that cops make poor parents due to bad relations with their kids. You imply that the grandfather bullied the boy because he was a cop. I'm sure you don't know any more than I do about the situation in that household than I do, so we'll both have to just wonder for the time being, was the kid bullied by the grandfather or not. Perhaps further reports will reveal new facts about the situation. In the meantime, I will overlook your defamation of cops as parents.
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Originally Posted by BigV
I paraphrase: Parents read journals and cops arrest kids or people die in schools. Whoa... not just disturbing, but so freakin wrong, factually wrong that I called bullshit. It seemed like a knee jerk reaction--"That shooter, damn shame his parents didn't have him arrested and save us all this tragedy." Sure. Arrest them all, and then the schools will be free of death. It will have moved to the prisons. C'mon now, who's knee jerking here? OC described the highlights of the other story so people would know which one she was referring to. The point was guardians taking an active roll in monitoring the kids activities to try to head off violence. |
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not knee jerking here. I tried to accurately paraphrase OC's comment. At this point I have been challenged twice on my reaction to OC's comments. What she meant is up to her to explain. You, Beestie, and I all have
only her words to go on. I have already answered Beestie's interpretation of OC's remarks. Perhaps your interpretation is right. If it is right, then I am
all for it. But that's not what she said. I tried hard to focus on what she said.
Which brings me to my next point.
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Your personal attack and charges of trolling for attention are ridiculous and way out of line.
If there's one thing OC get's around here is plenty of attention.
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I went back and re-re-read this part of the posts too. I did try to confine my remarks to OC's statements, with phrases like: ...You are talking..." and "...what you said...". My rebuke was very harsh, I agree. I apologise for any offense, OnyxCougar. I did not wish to insult you, but to strenuously refute your statements. I stand by my statements, but I do not normally rely on ad hominem attacks to support my arguments. Those instances I reserve for the truly deserving. And you do not deserve to be attacked that way.
OC, I have no quarrel with you personally, but I disagree with what you said in the strongest possible terms.