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Originally Posted by UT
Sure, you could steal the drugs to solve today's problems. But then who'll you steal the drugs from for the problems they encounter in 20 years?...Because the phrase "developing countries" is polite speak for "not able to feed their own citizens" and that some of these "developing countries" have been "developing" for a century now.
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What can you say to that? Deep ignorance, adamant opinion, stubbornness. I don't stand a chance. It doesn't matter if I'm right, you are too deeply conditioned, too proud, too caught up in your and your country's identity to be able to listen with any clarity. There are too many emotions bouncing around to enable proper discussion.
The internet? You do a fine job here UT, I must say, one of the best sites on the web. But if you look at the wider perspective - do we really need the internet? All a person needs is food water shelter. The internet is a bonus (and in some cases, an obstruction). We are too reliant on technology as it is - what happened to real human contact? What happened to visiting your mother instead of e-mailing her? Why can't I talk to a
real person at my bank instead of an automated digital voice. Yes, I reap the benefits of the internet age, it makes my life... convenient. But give me a field a cow and some chickens any day, I don't mind doing the hard work, especially if it means as a consequence the rest of the world can enjoy (enjoy?) clean water.
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Originally Posted by lookout123
uh yep. i help people live a happy retirement. i help them send their kids to college. i help people save for their home. i help people with their estate planning so that their families will be less burdened upon their death. i help people to have peace of mind.
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Accountant? Life assurance salesman? Ugh.
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Originally Posted by lookout123
did you get that from the movies or from your time in the military. you don't get it. you don't spend time with the people in order to get it. you are so condescending that when you do meet them you probably just filter everything they say through your idea of what they really mean.
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I've thought about that, but these people I speak of (probably only about 2 or 3, to be fair) have been very nice, polite and gentlemanly. They are not bloodthirsty, as I've already said, just curious about themselves and life. They go into the army for something to be good at, to assert their manhood, feel better about themselves... the same reason anyone does anything. They are not evil or cruel or 'baddies' - they just lack the intelligence to realise the reality or consequence of their actions. They see themselves as one man, made larger by common interest, but do not (and cannot) truly understand the weight of that decision. I hope you can read this without prejudice, without replying with something like 'well how do you know, you've only spoken to three soldiers'. Just listen and see if it makes sense to
you.
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Originally Posted by lookout123
the pedestal you're used to standing on has slipped. it is jammed so far up your ass that you can't see that there is a difference between loving your job, or calling - and being a bloodthirsty thug.
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I think I've answered that one. But I don't see why you've put me on a pedestal. I'm just a young person trying to make sense of the world.
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Originally Posted by HM
There's an example. Once lives have been sacrificed, we have to pretend that the war is justified, or their sacrifice is "nullified".
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Bang on. This is the eternal problem with these kind of debates. If one adopts an anti-war stance the predictable response is 'oh, so you're saying they died for
nothing eh? Tell that to their parents you heartless son of a ....'
