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Originally Posted by mrnoodle
If an enemy has information that you need to keep your own people alive or help them win the war, at what point do you stop trying to extract that information?
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Someone always uses common sense conclusions to assume torture will get the answer. Guess what. Torture gets lies. Again, why did Powell go before the UN to declare Al Qaeda and Saddam were in cahoots? Because they tortured people and got the answers they wanted; reality be damned.
Torture not only gets lies. It makes even more enemies and results in more American deaths. Why did so many US troops survive WWII? The Germans knew Americans did not torture; were civil people. Germans fought to the death against the Russians - causing increased Russian deaths.
Eliminate the knee jerk reaction that torture does good. Instead apply lessons of history and psychology. You want the truth. Don't torture. Spend that time using other sly methods - so that what they confess has merit. Torture is why we wasted so much money on fictional Orange Alert threats. Where were those terrorist attacks on the Golden Gate Bridge and Prudental Building? Torture also explains 800 prisoners, in Guantanamo where the actual number of guilty may be as small as 14. So what did all this torture accomplish besides many phoney Orange Alerts? It made more enemies. More reasons to attack Americans - even by others who were once Ameircan allies. More confessions that were fiction. Torture only gets from him what you want him to say. That's the reality so proven by history.