[jaguar]

Man what a flame war from a moronic opinion writer with an IQ lower than room temperature.

your argument would look less than retarded.

Well isn't that a self-defeating statement.

If you read the article, you would have caught the bit where he talks about placating the Palestinians. And you would have remembered that he said that even 100 or 200 people intent on killing themselves (and taking Israeli citizens with them) would still be enough to wreak major havoc. And if you had looked at other stats, you would realize this to be true, as there have been exactly 20 suicide bombings this year - 2002 - and look what they've done.

98% of suicide bombers are stopped before they manage to detonate. DO the math. Look at the people, TIME had a study of each this year, comparing, what a diverse bunch they were too, graduates, fanatics, kids. Fucking hell I think the idea of a state based on 22% of their fucking land is generous enough. You've got the 40% of Israelis thinking they should remove all Palestinians from the west bank and Gaza - what the fuck do you expect?

If Israel stops responding, it is the real-world equivalent of bending over and spreading your cheeks. Do you truly honestly believe that Palestinian extremists will stop the bombings if Israel discontinues the killing of militants? That's a foolish notion, and it's laughable. No matter what you read, no matter what they say, it is not as simple as "they want the West Bank and Gaza and Golan back." Let us not forget that those lands were acquired in the 1967 Six Day war which, while started by Israel, was a pre-emptive strike against nations that were preparing to attack Israel.

Why was Hitler so damn popular after WW1? Because you had a large, desperate population looking for someone to blame. Fast forward 50 years, why are Hamas etc so popular.....hmmm

I was talking to the leader of the Palestinian delegation to Australia the other day (came to school for a talk) He was an atheist himself with made his views on this all the more interesting.

With millions of Muslims, no oil, corrupt leadership and a cultural tradition of extreme violence, there's very little chance that a Palestinian state would be a voice for peaceful and loving diplomacy.

Being under the thumb of the oh-so-fucking-civilized Israelis is such a goddamn improvement I suppose? Blindingly obvious aside, any set up state would be a: under intense scrutiny, b: intense aid, both would help create a reasonable government. In reality neither state is viable, Israel survives on $ from the US.

The opinion that it's out of desperation is widely repeated because it's intellectually convenient.

Its also based on sound logic (happy people don't kill themselves), anecdotal(Interviews), historical (after Oslo was a virtual halt on terror) and statistical evidence (vast majority wanted, and probably still do want peace (hard to take stats while being shot at by IDF)), unless like that pile of drivel you posted which appears to be posted on a series of fundamentally flawed analogies and logical leaps that defy human comprehension. My god this guy knows about about intellectually convenient arguemnts, the entire concept of "fantastic offer with 98% of wanted territory that arafat refused" bullshit i keep seeing circulated is such an utter falacy its nto funny. Starting with the obvious, its not 98%, its less than 22% of what the palastinian state was, secondly it divided palastinian territory into 3 areas, requiring pasing of Isreali military blockades to get between them. No part of jerusulem was even offered. My god i jsut noticed this guys arguemtn is that ethics are basicly ilrrelavent as long as miltary action is effective?! Omg.........I guess this guys solution to kashmir is to nuke pakistan and solve northern ireland by rounding up every irishman and forcing them into the sea.