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Originally Posted by iamthewalrus109
I simply think it's time for a commander to continue when it's ammeable to do as such.
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Had we had a Patton or McAurthur, then we would not be in this mess. The 8000 mile screwdriver has done its damage.
Commanders talked back then of having 45 days to get it right. But they could not. The 8000 mile screwdriver failed to do the planning and shorted the military of men. Generals were quite clear about this up front - 200,000 men for two years - minimum. The 8000 mile screwdriver did not do its job - plan for the peace (as demonstrated in the after action reports of the Third Infantry and the resulting widespread looting). And most important - what should have been obvious to every member of the 8000 mile screwdriver:
don't disband the army and police. This well written and long understood principle (even in 500 BC) is demonstrated even in the movie Patton - because it is that common knowledge. Patton was at war with domestic politicians because he put the ex-Nazi party leaders back to work fixing the phones and restoring water. Patton did what even Sze Tzu said in 500 BC
45 days later - where was the water and electricity? Notice what Tobias was doing in Iraq then. No one there who knew how to do the work. Anyone in Iraq who knew how to do the work was fired - because they had to be members of the Baath party to get that training.
We are talking about the intelligence of the 8000 mile screwdriver. As a result, we will remain bogged down in Iraq - without a doubt - at minimum for most of a decade. We broke it. Now we own it. Those with intelligence knew that long before we even 'Pearl Harbored' Iraq. What do the troops repeatedly say they are short of? Men. What does the administration not supply? Men. We needed at least 200,000 soldiers in country. As the situation festers, we probably now need more. We provide only 130,000. And just like in Vietnam, more killed insurgents only makes more enemies. They are our insurgents. We created them.
Now we have a situation that is more unsolveable than Hati. How long have troops been in Hati? Democracy can not be forced on a people - no matter what your bible or president says.
It is called the 8000 mile screwdriver. It created the insurgency. It even lied about the electricity supply like it lied about aluminum tubes - for political reasons. We had 45 days and failed. Even the commander of the 101st Airborne took over what Bremmer & Co were suppose to do because many month later - nothing from Bremmer and Co. appeared. Bremmer, et al rarely even left Baghdad. 45 days later and we only made things worse.
Prime breeding ground for insurgency when the rebuilding does not start that week. Virtually all reconstruction projects years later remain stifled - halted.
One learns from history of both Patton and McAurthur. These men did not use war to create peace. There was no interfering 8000 mile screwdriver because back then, those in Washington had planned for the peace years before WWII ended. Requires intelligence and knowledge that the George Jr administration (the 8000 mile screwdriver) has yet to demonstrate. Even worse, Rumsfeld fired the people (transfered from State) who had planned the peace.
We are now killing over 100 American every month- a number that increases every month - years after a mental midget president declared 'Mission Accomplished'. Obviously he thought so because they never bothered to plan for the peace - as was done in the days of both Patton and McAurthur. Back then, the Generals had a president who had intelligence.