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Xugumad · 04-15-2002, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Undertoad

Regarding Iraq's enormous sense of restraint (!), I <i>don't know</i> whether they used any chemical weapons. Do you?

Yes, I do know. Note how I referring to using chemical weapons against Israeli civilian population centers. They used C-weapons against the Kurds in northern Iraq, before and after the Gulf War, yes. They did not use any against Israel, as they'd threatened to. That's what I'm talking about. (see my reference to Haifa) They weren't stupid. If they'd gassed Tel Aviv, Israel would have wiped Baghdad off the face of the planet.

It is one possible explanation of the "Iraqi War Syndrome".

It is. The more likely explanation is that US soldiers were given a number of chemical agents prior to going to the Gulf, partly to immunize and strengthen them against potential chemical attacks. Many of those preventive measures had not undergone any long-term testing of any sort. This is the most likely current explanation, but since the US government is refusing to admit that Gulf War Syndrome even exists (malformed babies and radically increased occurences of cancer apparently don't suffice), it's difficult to do any real research.

Do you believe that they did NOT use such weapons against their own people? Did you believe that the Iraqi war propaganda showing "Baby Milk Factory" in English on the backs of Iraqi workers' uniforms was evidence that they were really producing "Baby Milk"?

They did use chemical weapons against the Kurd minorities, sure. I was talking about using those weapons offensively against population centers.

Do you believe that Iraq's seeming lack of use of such weapons in a 1991 war is indicative of their good faith against using them in 2002?

Yes. Remember George's 'we will use nukes whenever we feel like it' policy change? Remember that Sharon is in power now? It's actually much less likely that Iraq would use chemical weapons now, unless Saddam suddenly turned both suicidal and incredibly desperatel whilst he's a murderous totalitarian dictator, he probably isn't either of the others above.

Is it possible a month of preliminary strikes prevented them from employing defensive weapons effectively? Do you own a gas mask?

Yes. Scud missiles did fly against Israeli population centers, and hit. None of them had a chemical payload. Iraqi sources (defectors) have in the past indicated that those had been removed on purpose.
And no, I don't own a gas mask, or a gun, or any other type of offensive or defensive weapon or device.

By the way, you've convinced me about Krauthammer, but your "read this" source is also alarmed about the NASA cover-up of chemtrails, details the most recent UFO sightings, and has an update on the face on Mars. And sells CHI machine "brain tuners" on its front page. You might have missed this. HTH.

The 'read this' link was an article from the British broadsheet The Independent. (see link at the bottom of the article). I linked it from that site because it's a nice, speedy mirror that doesn't frame the article in 20 frames and doesn't pop up any windows.
(and it's easier to read font-wise, as well) I didn't check the rest of the site for 'dubious' material; The Cellar has stories about dhamsaic's ass - I would hope that doesn't invalidate the political discussion we're engaging in :-)

If you prefer, go to the original link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=284823

X.

04-15-2002, 03:05 PM	#18
Xugumad Punisher of Good Deeds Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 183	Originally posted by Undertoad Regarding Iraq's enormous sense of restraint (!), I <i>don't know</i> whether they used any chemical weapons. Do you? Yes, I do know. Note how I referring to using chemical weapons against Israeli civilian population centers. They used C-weapons against the Kurds in northern Iraq, before and after the Gulf War, yes. They did not use any against Israel, as they'd threatened to. That's what I'm talking about. (see my reference to Haifa) They weren't stupid. If they'd gassed Tel Aviv, Israel would have wiped Baghdad off the face of the planet. It is one possible explanation of the "Iraqi War Syndrome". It is. The more likely explanation is that US soldiers were given a number of chemical agents prior to going to the Gulf, partly to immunize and strengthen them against potential chemical attacks. Many of those preventive measures had not undergone any long-term testing of any sort. This is the most likely current explanation, but since the US government is refusing to admit that Gulf War Syndrome even exists (malformed babies and radically increased occurences of cancer apparently don't suffice), it's difficult to do any real research. Do you believe that they did NOT use such weapons against their own people? Did you believe that the Iraqi war propaganda showing "Baby Milk Factory" in English on the backs of Iraqi workers' uniforms was evidence that they were really producing "Baby Milk"? They did use chemical weapons against the Kurd minorities, sure. I was talking about using those weapons offensively against population centers. Do you believe that Iraq's seeming lack of use of such weapons in a 1991 war is indicative of their good faith against using them in 2002? Yes. Remember George's 'we will use nukes whenever we feel like it' policy change? Remember that Sharon is in power now? It's actually much less likely that Iraq would use chemical weapons now, unless Saddam suddenly turned both suicidal and incredibly desperatel whilst he's a murderous totalitarian dictator, he probably isn't either of the others above. Is it possible a month of preliminary strikes prevented them from employing defensive weapons effectively? Do you own a gas mask? Yes. Scud missiles did fly against Israeli population centers, and hit. None of them had a chemical payload. Iraqi sources (defectors) have in the past indicated that those had been removed on purpose. And no, I don't own a gas mask, or a gun, or any other type of offensive or defensive weapon or device. By the way, you've convinced me about Krauthammer, but your "read this" source is also alarmed about the NASA cover-up of chemtrails, details the most recent UFO sightings, and has an update on the face on Mars. And sells CHI machine "brain tuners" on its front page. You might have missed this. HTH. The 'read this' link was an article from the British broadsheet The Independent. (see link at the bottom of the article). I linked it from that site because it's a nice, speedy mirror that doesn't frame the article in 20 frames and doesn't pop up any windows. (and it's easier to read font-wise, as well) I didn't check the rest of the site for 'dubious' material; The Cellar has stories about dhamsaic's ass - I would hope that doesn't invalidate the political discussion we're engaging in :-) If you prefer, go to the original link: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=284823 X.