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Originally posted by Undertoad
Israel is claiming 70 people deal at Jenin and 95% of those armed combatants. The truth? Today, we don't know, because there are still people shooting and international observers won't go in until tonight. Is it a coverup because they don't want reporters or observers in? Maybe. Today, 4/14, we don't know.
You don't know either, and you know you don't know. So why are you spinning it so early?
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Cited erroneously as spin is what news services suggest as reasonable death numbers. Unfortunately and again, you given credibility to numbers from an extremist right wing, anti-humanity government. They are about as honest as Milosevik's Serbian claims of the Srebrenica massacre - that those dead Bosnians were combatants. At least in Srebrenica, international observers were there to dispute that claim. Sharon made sure he has no such problem.
Real world numbers start at hundreds of dead. Just from news reports already provided by Xugumad's hyperlinks - '95% were combatants' is only for the naive to believe. Only 4 were innocent civilians? Did you also believe Nixon when he said we did not invade Cambodia?
There comes a time when you must answer this. Is Sharon an honest man or is he guilty of crimes against humanity? That is basically what your dispute with anything I have posted comes down to. An honest man would have stopped believing numbers from the Israelis long ago - just as honest men in VietNam called US government reports in VietNam the 5 o'clock Follies.
Any responsible person wants reporters directly on the battlefield just as in WWII, in Vietnam, and in the Gulf War. Where armies fear reporters on the scene, historically, coverups are underway. Do the lessons of history not apply to Israel? For some reason, is Israel god's chosen people who can be trusted to provide honest facts?
We don't have facts because one fact is reported bluntly by news reporters. The most dangerous actor for a reporter on the battlefield was the Israeli soldier. Who shot and killed that Italian reporter? Who shot up the clearly marked NBC News armored car? Who keeps reporters from doing the job they do everywhere in the world? We had good reason to suspect a coverup weeks ago. It is the history of Sharon to massacre innocent civilians in major military operations and to then lie. Why then would his army fear to have reporters on scene? It does not take a genius to understand.
No spin here. That Israeli number of '95% were combatant' is equivalent to saying that Nixon was not a crook because Nixon said so. Those numbers are only reported as facts to the naive. Clearly there was a massacre in Jenin. It is simply a question of how large.
The Israeli army is commanded by a mass murder with intentions and history to violate international law, US demands, and UN resolutions. He has massacred innocent civilians previously and got away with it. Why then would Sharon ban reporters and international observers when it is normal for both to be at the battle scene? That, and the numbers you have cited, both stink of 'coverup' - if your news has been international - which means you had no time for the pathetic Channel 6 Action New or Daily News. I doubt either reported what Xugumad
cited in his hyperlinks.
We know the death figures will be high and will include many MIAs. We have multiple, independent, international news reports that Israelis are burying people in mass graves. We know the Israelis intend to have Jenin policed before international observers and reporters are let in. We know that the Israelis have done everything humanly possible to keep honest facts from reaching world news services. If the battle was as vicious as Israel claims - including Israeli use of human shields - then 1,000 dead just in a refugee camp called Jenin is a good starting number. If the reports in the Guardian, Independent, LA Times, and Washington Post are in proper perspective, then a major percentage of casulties were innocent civilians.
Shameful for giving Israeli numbers any credibility. Those numbers are the real 'spin'. Israelis are reporting honestly (cough) when their own leader has a long history of insubordination, mass murder, outrightly lying directly to George Jr. with intent to deceive, and providing dishonest numbers to the press. So are so easliy decieved as to believe it takes time for military to disengage from an invasion - only because Israel said so.
What do you call the 5 o'clock follies when numbers are provided by an extremist Israeli government? Does a different time zone change the name? Yes I am mocking anyone who would cite Sharon government numbers as facts - because history alone says otherwise - in spades. In fact, when did Sharon not lie? After all, Sharon is Likud - also the party of the petty theif Netanyahu.