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iamthewalrus109 · 09-24-2004, 07:51 AM

I have to say Steveland sounds like a nice place, but it must be real quiet there being that it exists in a vacum. The consumer culture and the blitz of the information age makes half your suggestions unrealistic for this country. Americans are much more comfortable about what cell service they want to get than having to decide who the leader of the free world will be. With the disjointed, meandering culture left in this country reduntdant statments and 30 second sound bites are all that these candidates can bank on. Furthermore, more choices in this country would only lead to people clinging to "tride and true" parties. Although there is no constitutional provision for a two party system in this country, one developed, and any shift would represent a major departure in the way things are done.

The only way to save America from itself is a reconsideration of global policies and globalism in general. I think that regional issues are too great to surmount with organizations like the UN, the IMF or the WTO. People know more about other places now, and they want what we have here in the US. The proliferation of information and the actual development of information technology has outstipped society's development and society's ability to integrate innovation into existing institutions. In essence technology has far outpaced society's progress, in leaps and bounds. Accordingly I think coroporations and not governments have been able to make the most of things and generally keep up better, hence the level of corporate involvement in the two party system.

The current system of global policy is flawed, if not corrupt. It serves the intrest of a scant few, while pilaging lands for the resoruces they offer. The people of any land should be the ones making the decisions for what they produce, period! Under the current system of banking, trade, and governance the privelaged and the criminals rule and manipulate the fruit of our labors. This is the heart of what is wrong with the government of the United States. I agree about mass media, but we shot ourselves in the foot with the Bill of Rights and freedom of the press. I doubt the framers could ever imagine the development of mass communication, this is a big issue. So the major media outlets can play this tune until this country is in ruins.

As far as making people do anything in this country, a Jacobonian type of government would have to happen at this point. People are too seated in there pleasures and decadances to venture out and become active participants in civics and politics. Jim Morrsion, used to say: "They got the guns but we got the numbers" , well I don't think so, not any more. I thought after 9/11 that there would be some awakening, but to no avail. A few people woke up, but to a netherworld of supressed discontent, disallusion, and escapsim. There has to be a major depression/economic break down and or a major terroist attack to affect any real change. A depression would clean out things for awhile better in the sense that the government would be powerless to control much due to economic colapse. A major terroist attack would be a way to fully mobilize a military government in this country and really be able to seize control of the society. Many have postulated this already, and if their theories are correct 9/11 hasn't had the effect that it should have. I think a nuclear or biologic attack with massive casulaties, and I'm talking over 10,000, would pretty much wrap up this world we know here in the US. Steveland looks better and better.

- Walrus

09-24-2004, 07:51 AM	#2
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	Sounds nice I have to say Steveland sounds like a nice place, but it must be real quiet there being that it exists in a vacum. The consumer culture and the blitz of the information age makes half your suggestions unrealistic for this country. Americans are much more comfortable about what cell service they want to get than having to decide who the leader of the free world will be. With the disjointed, meandering culture left in this country reduntdant statments and 30 second sound bites are all that these candidates can bank on. Furthermore, more choices in this country would only lead to people clinging to "tride and true" parties. Although there is no constitutional provision for a two party system in this country, one developed, and any shift would represent a major departure in the way things are done. The only way to save America from itself is a reconsideration of global policies and globalism in general. I think that regional issues are too great to surmount with organizations like the UN, the IMF or the WTO. People know more about other places now, and they want what we have here in the US. The proliferation of information and the actual development of information technology has outstipped society's development and society's ability to integrate innovation into existing institutions. In essence technology has far outpaced society's progress, in leaps and bounds. Accordingly I think coroporations and not governments have been able to make the most of things and generally keep up better, hence the level of corporate involvement in the two party system. The current system of global policy is flawed, if not corrupt. It serves the intrest of a scant few, while pilaging lands for the resoruces they offer. The people of any land should be the ones making the decisions for what they produce, period! Under the current system of banking, trade, and governance the privelaged and the criminals rule and manipulate the fruit of our labors. This is the heart of what is wrong with the government of the United States. I agree about mass media, but we shot ourselves in the foot with the Bill of Rights and freedom of the press. I doubt the framers could ever imagine the development of mass communication, this is a big issue. So the major media outlets can play this tune until this country is in ruins. As far as making people do anything in this country, a Jacobonian type of government would have to happen at this point. People are too seated in there pleasures and decadances to venture out and become active participants in civics and politics. Jim Morrsion, used to say: "They got the guns but we got the numbers" , well I don't think so, not any more. I thought after 9/11 that there would be some awakening, but to no avail. A few people woke up, but to a netherworld of supressed discontent, disallusion, and escapsim. There has to be a major depression/economic break down and or a major terroist attack to affect any real change. A depression would clean out things for awhile better in the sense that the government would be powerless to control much due to economic colapse. A major terroist attack would be a way to fully mobilize a military government in this country and really be able to seize control of the society. Many have postulated this already, and if their theories are correct 9/11 hasn't had the effect that it should have. I think a nuclear or biologic attack with massive casulaties, and I'm talking over 10,000, would pretty much wrap up this world we know here in the US. Steveland looks better and better. - Walrus