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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I just want everyone to think about what it says about a man, if he is freely offered the last word... and not only takes it, but shouts it at the top of his lungs.

I don't like subtle insinuation. If you have a fact, then post it bluntly and honestly. Don't play silly polictially correctness games with me. I consider that equivalent to a scam salesman selling a $100 Monster surge protector in Circuit City.

It does not matter who has the last word or if a conversation is political correctly. I have no time for games of elegance or implied kindness. Those who post honestly earn respect.

These are facts. The facts straight up are that George Jr lies. He lied about WMDs. He then lied - blaming the intelligence - when virtually every allie in the region said no such WMDs can be found. So many believed George Jr rather than facts from Advanced Physic Labs. George Jr tonight in the network news has more lies about "Iraq is getting better" when his own secret National Security assessment months previously said that all three options for Iraq are bad. He has the facts months ago and he still lies.

from NY Times of 16 September 2004
A classified National Intelligence Estimate prepared for President Bush in late July spells out a dark assessment of prospects for Iraq, government officials said Wednesday.

The estimate outlines three possibilities for Iraq through the end of 2005, with the worst case being developments that could lead to civil war, the officials said. The most favorable outcome described is an Iraq whose stability would remain tenuous in political, economic and security terms.

"There's a significant amount of pessimism," said one government official who has read the document, which runs about 50 pages.

from the BBC World Service
The report - a compilation of assessments by intelligence agencies - puts forward three possible scenarios in Iraq by the end of 2005.

They range from what the report calls tenuous stability to political fragmentation and civil war. It was prepared for President Bush before a recent escalation of violence.

The BBC's Nick Childs at the Pentagon says the report is at odds with the more upbeat public statements which continue to emerge from the Bush administration.

Many analysts in Washington are now raising doubts about whether it is realistic to plan for an election in Iraq in January, our correspondent says.

How is it that virutally every responsible observer says Iraq is bad and getting worse. Yet the President says things are getting better? He is lying now just as he lied about WMDs. Just as he intentionally connected 11 September with Saddam. A previous president did the same thing - and we foolishly believed him. His name: Richard Nixon.

Posted are facts. Iraq is going as predicted a year ago because of this administration's 'ideologue based' policies. Furthermore, the president, knowing full well things are bad and will probably get even worse, instead, hypes lies about how Iraq is getting better. George Jr lies just as he did about the Oslo Accords, just as he did about the need for an anti-missile system, and now as he is advocating the elimination of inspections and verification for biological and nuclear weapons throughout the world (yes read that again).

UT: stick to the facts. Is George Jr lying about Iraq? Yes or no? If not, then please provide something that says George Jr could reverse the inevitable. We broke it. As Colin Powell warned, now we own it. The least this president could do is admit just one mistake he had made. He could not even do that on National TV. Maybe he might just admit to one mistake - if he had a brillant moment of honesty. So is he lying about Iraq?