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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Hang on a sec... you're saying it's impossible for a terrorist group to get a nuclear weapon, and to back up your argument you present evidence that a terrorist group DID HAVE a nuclear weapon less than 2 miles from the White House?

Just the fact that 'powers that be' are gaming to avoid and deal with such problems at many levels demonstrates that a terrorist nuclear device is all but impossible. I never said it was impossible. I said there is a long list of 'filters' that make atomic terrorist weapons not probable. So that Outlook123 may even read it, I will group those reasons he would not read in general categories. And these are but an abbreviated list of reasons:
1) weapons don't go missing without knowledge AND without virtually every nation looking for that rogue weapon.
2) the weapon virtually advertises its location for so many reasons including large numbers of human operatives to make it into a terrrorism device.
3) only Outlook123 and his cadre of fiction writers and Fox News reporters thinks this weapon can simply be triggered by pushing a button.
4) superior terrorism actions are far easier. What kind of people are terrorists? Typicically the mentally weak such as Richard Reed who could not even give himself a hot foot or the LAX bomb transporter who was scared off simply by how a black lady custom guard looked at him. Typically those of low intelligence - a view of the world only in black and white; good and evil - become extremists. They will then steal, transport, maintain, arm and trigger a nuclear device? Only in the fictional world of Outlook123. What color is the button to push to activate a nuclear bomb?

Again to post what was already posted: the possibility is near zero. But the consequences are catastrophic which is why we have but another layer to make such terrorism all but impossible. When leadership has intelligence, then the principles are forced by an intelligent president to play 'games'. Those games make that kind of terrorism extremely more unlikely.

Now we go back to why terrorism succeeded - the most important condition to permit terrorism: It sat right there on George Jr's desk. The 6 Aug PDB. A blunt warning of an immenent hijacking and attack on the US involving planes and buildings. Those two CIA agents who wrote it wanted a title that would most catch the President's attention because they were so worried about the immenent attack. How could intelligence be MORE actionable? That is as good as any intelligence will ever get! Instead George Jr ignored it.

We know federal agents in AZ, MN, IL and now (thanks to the 9/11 Commission) even agents in NY were on the trail of the 9/11 Terrorists. All they needed was one good reason so that their bosses stopped impeding the investigation. George Jr and Condi Rice, instead, had Richard Clarke demoted from the Principles level! Richard Clarke's group was promoted to Principles level because Clinton wanted terrorism stopped - and did so multiple times. But George Jr had been educated by people still living with a Cold War mentality and an agenda to save the world from itself - Wolfowich and Rice. Therefore terrorism was about ballistic missiles and pre-emption. IOW George Jr made it so easy for bin Landen to attack. Just another classic example of a well proven concept: 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management - George Jr - god's choosen president.

IOW an administration that does not 'game' a cabin cruiser in a Washington Yacht Club makes a terrorist nuclear device just a little more possible. Please put this all into numerical perspective and not into the black and white world of Outlook123. An atom device is not even on the first page list of probable terrorist strategies - except when a reader such as Outlook123 cannot put facts into perspective. It is but one of so many possible scenarios used to game - so that we know how to respond to the real attack we never expected.

And again, I listed here previously a simple terrorist attack that would have far more success and would be massively devestating. I will not post that example again for good reasons. But anyone who thinks bin Laden will use an atomic device is simply making a 'real' bin Laden attack easier.

If leadership were not gaming, then a terrorist atom device is but slightly more likely. Because good leaders game these scenarios and because the atomic terrorist device concpet is even understood by idiots, then it just will not happen.

Another example - fertilizer bombs. Will more happen? Again put that way down on a list of possible terrorist weapons. Been there. Done that. Everyone knows that terrorist tactic. It will not happen again. No, that does not say it can never happen. Don't interprete what is posted here in black and white like Outlook123 does. The fertilizer bomb is now top the list of potential terrorist devices in every citizen's mind which means a terrrorist could not do it without being discovered.

What will be the next terrorist device? Well, what has not yet been attempted? Again, I posted a massively destructive example some years ago and will not post that example again. It has certain characteristics necessary to be an effective weapon. Takes very few operatives. Uses rather obviously simple materials and technology. Would be easy if we have more leaders, such as George Jr, who cannot bother to read his Presidential Daily Briefings.

This nation's number one anti-terrorist investigator was literally pushed out of government by this George Jr administration because he was doing his job properly - loudly warning that another attack was coming. John O'Neill died exactly where he said, in Elaine's the night before, that the next terrorist attack would probably happen. WTC. After being forced out of government anti-terrorism, and after almost discovering two of the 9/11 attacker, instead, John O'Neill was killed by those terrorists - after the George Jr administration drove him from anti-terrorism. Terrorists he could have caught had a mental midget president all but stopped anti-terrorism activities by the US government.

Again, don't use black and white. I did not say George Jr stopped all anti-terrorist actions. And I did not say a terrorist atomic attack was not possible. I said it is so unlikely that only someone like Outlook123 would worry about an attack in this decade. Read those sentences with care and don't assume a political agenda. But an atomic terrorist device in the US is simply too far from the world of reality - in part because we now routinely 'game' for it.

If this could be answered in black and white, then I too would post single paragraphs like Outlook123. But then I am providing 'real world' facts and putting those facts into perspective - rather than attacking another poster.